Is Flying Alaska Airlines Getting Expensive?
#63
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FWIW, UA (your example) admitted their revenue management model was problematic:
In practice, this means United is holding back fewer seats to be sold at higher fares and leaving lower buckets open for longer. That may be why you can get a cheap fare at the last minute even though you’re willing to pay more. Now United is going to fix this issue (in the next year or two), and that means there will be fewer seats available at the lowest fares and more at the highest fares.
#64
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What you see here is not the case of Alaska being anti competitive. This is an example of a market, controlled by leisure market, like cruise industry, pre-purchasing allocation of ticket to meeting their anticipated demand and only releasing inventory back to alaska, when return penalty is still at a minimal. What's left over to sell at Alaska, is the higher priced inventory. Yes, seats may show wide availability, but in reality, significant seats were already sold, just not assigned to an individual.
This is also typical, especially between Asia and Hawaii when international travel agents and hotels pre-book hotels and airline seat, in anticipation of passenger traffic.
Sadly, there is nothing we can do to control such behavior, as cruise industry is also protecting their business.
Jiburi
This is also typical, especially between Asia and Hawaii when international travel agents and hotels pre-book hotels and airline seat, in anticipation of passenger traffic.
Sadly, there is nothing we can do to control such behavior, as cruise industry is also protecting their business.
Jiburi
#65
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I don't know if AS's revenue management model's better. I don't know if VX's was better. I don't know whose software is being used. Revenue management folks probably know their jobs better than I do. But I don't see high fares far out as necessarily bad unless you're not doing your job filling YOUR planes profitably when WN/B6/NK shows up on the schedule, it's 90 days out, etc. If someone WANTS to buy that $418 fare, great. But if UA wants to fill their planes with low fares... knock yourself out, kid.
#66
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I fly for leisure only, and AS is routinely 10-25% more than the other carriers on the same route I fly. I'm a Gold, so I continue to book AS flights because of my track record of getting upgraded to F, but if the Mileage Plan program wasn't so good I'd bail to DL in a heartbeat.
#67
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Once again AS really needs to work on their pricing model. I was needing to purchase a ticket from New York to Bay Area for January 1. Everyone (DL, AA, UA) had First/Business available for $650. AS wants $2000. Everyone else is lie-flat. I still would have bought AS F for the miles and taken a standard F seat, but I won't do it for more than 3 times the price!
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Once again AS really needs to work on their pricing model. I was needing to purchase a ticket from New York to Bay Area for January 1. Everyone (DL, AA, UA) had First/Business available for $650. AS wants $2000. Everyone else is lie-flat. I still would have bought AS F for the miles and taken a standard F seat, but I won't do it for more than 3 times the price!
#69
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Other airlines are beating Alaska on "flight duration"? This doesn't make sense to me. Most jet aircraft fly about the same speed.
If anything, Alaska often has the best schedules out of Seattle, including more frequent departures and nonstop flights. Fares are not always the cheapest, but for those not looking for a mileage run, they are usually fair given these other benefits.
If anything, Alaska often has the best schedules out of Seattle, including more frequent departures and nonstop flights. Fares are not always the cheapest, but for those not looking for a mileage run, they are usually fair given these other benefits.
#70
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The pricing model is actually pretty similar, but AS has many fewer seats to sell. The $650-ish seat is elusive. If you looked at the tariffs for each carrier, they probably all match. I flew in one of them a couple of months ago. But the other direction of my flight was on DL. And my other trips over the past few years have been mostly DL/AA/B6.
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Add to that the earliest SFO/JFK now gets you in about 6pm, meaning not settled at your Manhattan hotel until about 8pm (maybe 730 if the baggage and transit / traffic gods are cooperating).
#72
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My experience looking at flights out of Alaska for this summer and fall is Alaska is more expensive across the board than Delta, American, and Southwest. Southwest I get, but Delta(offering the same services) and American I don't understand. Prices are 1/3 to 50% higher on most routes right now from May-October. I can fly first class on Delta on multiple routes for the same price as "Main" Alaska.
Not sure why Alaska has raised its rates so much.
Not sure why Alaska has raised its rates so much.
#73
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My experience looking at flights out of Alaska for this summer and fall is Alaska is more expensive across the board than Delta, American, and Southwest. Southwest I get, but Delta(offering the same services) and American I don't understand. Prices are 1/3 to 50% higher on most routes right now from May-October. I can fly first class on Delta on multiple routes for the same price as "Main" Alaska.
Not sure why Alaska has raised its rates so much.
Not sure why Alaska has raised its rates so much.
#74
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My experience looking at flights out of Alaska for this summer and fall is Alaska is more expensive across the board than Delta, American, and Southwest. Southwest I get, but Delta(offering the same services) and American I don't understand. Prices are 1/3 to 50% higher on most routes right now from May-October. I can fly first class on Delta on multiple routes for the same price as "Main" Alaska.
Not sure why Alaska has raised its rates so much.
Not sure why Alaska has raised its rates so much.
#75
Join Date: Jan 2017
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Good to know(Generally). Doesn't seem like they are opening up those lower brackets at all right now, however as I'm seeing the same for April/May.
The odd thing is it's not the usual 20 bucks here or there, it's like flights for 89 or 150 on Delta are going for like 169 or 229 on Alaska. The Delta prices are about what they've been in past years on the same routes, but the Alaska prices are what's significantly higher, so wondered what was up.
The odd thing is it's not the usual 20 bucks here or there, it's like flights for 89 or 150 on Delta are going for like 169 or 229 on Alaska. The Delta prices are about what they've been in past years on the same routes, but the Alaska prices are what's significantly higher, so wondered what was up.