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Old Aug 23, 2025 | 2:26 pm
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Originally Posted by anteater
AS' reply to my initial inquiry of FT questions is below. If the community thinks of anything else, feel free to let me know.


Is "1 mile flown = 1 status point" only for tickets booked on AS.com?
Status point earn matches base points + class of service bonuses earned on flights. Booking channel doesnt matter; you earn the same on AS and HA flights no matter where booked.

For miles based earn bought on partners through Alaska.com/App, will there still be a status point multiplier? If so is it staying the same?
No. After choice earn is launched, the distance option will represent the actual distance flown with no class of service multipliers or minimum miles. Members that often book the premium cabins which today have class of service bonuses will likely want to choose the revenue based earn option.

Is there going to be an elite tier based status point multiplier (above 5 points per $) for those with higher Atmos status?
Yes. Status bonuses remain unchanged from today (Silver at 25%, Gold 50%, Platinum 100% and Titanium 150%), and will apply across whichever earn option the member selects.

Will there still be a 500 mile minimum on miles based earn?
No. Post-choice, distance will represent the actual flown miles only; no class of service or minimum miles.

Will HA upgrade certs and AS GGUs both turn into upgrade certificates (mostly answered but some people are still asking)?
Yes.

Will multiple upgrade certificates be needed for long-haul flights or flights above a certain distance band?
Upgrade certificates used on Hawaiian operated flights will follow the same pricing as today, including needing two for flights >3,500 miles. There will be more details to come for Alaska operated longhaul flights.

Did AS remove the ability to purchase an unlimited number of RDM (points) for elites?
No.
I am not fully contending thisso a few questions

1) Are they saying that for the distance option; class of service bonuses will remain on AS/HA booked flights, but go away for partners booked on AS.com

2) Are they saying that elites will get a STATUS POINT multiplier or a POINT multiplier; this is unclear to me.

3) If it is a STATUS POINT multiplier, will it apply to all types of accrual or just the spend method?

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Old Aug 23, 2025 | 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Flying for Fun
anteater has just comfirmed that my inkling is correct.

Is there going to be an elite tier based status point multiplier (above 5 points per $) for those with higher Atmos status?
Yes. Status bonuses remain unchanged from today (Silver at 25%, Gold 50%, Platinum 100% and Titanium 150%), and will apply across whichever earn option the member selects.
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So, Elite bonuses (RDM/Points) become Status multipliers.

For Distance: Actual miles flow (1, 1.25, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5) = Status Points = Points for redemption. Each multipler represents member through to Titanium.

For Spend: Status Points = Points for redemptions.

Member 5 spend.
Silver 5 spend 1.25
Gold 5' spend 1.50
Platinum 5 spend 2.0
Titanium 5 spend 2.5

For Segments: 500 (1, 1.25, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5)

A Member earning by segments earns 500 P/SPs while a Titanium earns (5002.5) = 1250 P/SPs.

A member earning by spend earns 5 SP per dollar, a Titanium earns 12.5 SP per dollar (net of fees and taxes) For itineraries where AS doesn't know the fare earnings will be by distance & fare class, but no COS bonus.

This makes sense because a cabin bonus would be too generous for the lower tier qualifications; compared to AAdvantage.

A member earning by distance earns actual miles flown, a Titanium would earn 2.5 actual miles flown regardless of the fare.

In essence, Elite bonus Points for redemptions will be gone, the Elite bonus becomes a Status multipler, all earning will be Status Points, and Status points earned will be Points for redemption.

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In the question, elite tier based status point (EQM) multipliers were clearly asked about. But the response seems to be about the status bonus multiplier given to points (RDM) that currently exists. That is confirmed as unchanged, but awarding status points (EQM) based on elite tier level is not a thing and awarding them would be a change. They seem to refer to status points (EQM) as points through a lot of their marking material despite being different currencies which is causing the confusion.



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Here is one example. The Atmos Summit card does not earn 1 point (RDM) per $2 spent on purchases. The points (RDM) earned on purchases is based on mcc of the transaction and whether it was made in a foreign currency. It is status points (EQM) that is earned at a ratio of 1 status point (EQM) per $2 spent on purchases.
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Old Aug 23, 2025 | 2:46 pm
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Yuuuuup, the whole status points vs redeemable points has already been mired in confusion because they don't specify in very key ways.
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Old Aug 23, 2025 | 2:59 pm
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Originally Posted by navydevildoc
Yuuuuup, the whole status points vs redeemable points has already been mired in confusion because they don't specify in very key ways.
this is beginning to resemble AAnother AAirline where you accrue Loyalty Point$ for status and RDM for flying (*big* new difference being that AS indicates *no more COS bonus* on tix purchased thru AS)
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Old Aug 23, 2025 | 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
this is beginning to resemble AAnother AAirline where you accrue Loyalty Point$ for status and RDM for flying (*big* new difference being that AS indicates *no more COS bonus* on tix purchased thru AS)
Almost like Ben got a recommendation from Bob Isom on a great consulting company that can help you re-launch your loyalty program.
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Old Aug 23, 2025 | 3:38 pm
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Originally Posted by anteater
AS' reply to my initial inquiry of FT questions is below. If the community thinks of anything else, feel free to let me know.
Is "1 mile flown = 1 status point" only for tickets booked on AS.com?
Status point earn matches base points + class of service bonuses earned on flights. Booking channel doesn’t matter; you earn the same on AS and HA flights no matter where booked.
Ok, this seems relatively clear - AS/HA flights will still get a CoS bonus, regardless of booking channel. I hope that's accurate.

Originally Posted by anteater
For miles based earn bought on partners through Alaska.com/App, will there still be a status point multiplier? If so is it staying the same?
No. After choice earn is launched, the “distance” option will represent the actual distance flown with no class of service multipliers or minimum miles. Members that often book the premium cabins which today have class of service bonuses will likely want to choose the revenue based earn option.
Well, that was what I was expecting for this (and, in truth, for the prior question.) Clear enough, I'd say - no more partner CoS bonuses for premium partner fares booked through AS.

Originally Posted by anteater
Is there going to be an elite tier based status point multiplier (above 5 points per $) for those with higher Atmos status?
Yes. Status bonuses remain unchanged from today (Silver at 25%, Gold 50%, Platinum 100% and Titanium 150%), and will apply across whichever earn option the member selects.
Unless I'm sleepier than I realized, this unfortunately doesn't tell us a darn thing regarding whether buying a ~$1000 flight will earn me 5000 status points or 12500 status points if I choose revenue. Attempting to logic it out... I don't imagine they'll allow the elite bonus to count towards status for distance, so the options all being the same means they're likely just talking about RDPs here. 5x/$ compares really poorly against AA's 11x/$ for top status, so I'm harboring a little bit of hope that they allow the tier multiplier to count towards status for revenue choice folks.

Originally Posted by anteater
Will there still be a 500 mile minimum on miles based earn?
No. Post-choice, distance will represent the actual flown miles only; no class of service or minimum miles.
This seemed already settled, there'd be no reason for the segment based choice if they weren't killing the segment minimum.

Originally Posted by anteater
Will HA upgrade certs and AS GGU’s both turn into upgrade certificates (mostly answered but some people are still asking)?
Yes.
Will multiple upgrade certificates be needed for long-haul flights or flights above a certain distance band?
Upgrade certificates used on Hawaiian operated flights will follow the same pricing as today, including needing two for flights >3,500 miles. There will be more details to come for Alaska operated longhaul flights.
Did AS remove the ability to purchase an unlimited number of RDM (points) for elites?
No.
I wasn't overly worried about these last few to begin with, but I guess it's nice to have at least a few more things settled.

Overall, I don't think the individual that responded really understood what was being asked in some cases, so I'm a little suspicious about the accuracy of their answers. I appreciate the attempt regardless!
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Old Aug 23, 2025 | 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by navydevildoc
Revenue is a no brainer. I get COS bonuses on partner flights based on distance, and domestic flights purchased on an Atmos card into premium cabin gets be the best of both worlds.
Revenue is a no brainer only if you book domestic first class (or high fare refundable economy) with cash. If distance still gets you 125% miles in J booked with partners (remains to be seen), then for people who mostly book mid-fair economy (i.e. upgrade certificate eligible) domestic AS tickets and 2-3 international J trips yearly via OW partner sites, then the metrics will skew much more toward distance being the better deal. And imho, if one is booking first class outright on domestic flights anyway, Im not sure how much benefit youre getting from status.
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It still amazes me how this kind of extremely crucial information has to be told via a user's friend on page 5 of a random thread in a subforum. We are truly flying a family business.
The elite bonus applying to EQP is very nice, and the 35% increase in Titanium requirements makes sense now. Without it, Titanium would be more common than hippie coffee shops in downtown Seattle.
but still many mysteries and strange dis-incentives remain. and for a new comer AS top tier is an extremely steep hill to climb.
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What's interesting is that if there is an elite multiplier for EQMs, that would kind of make up for the lack of 500 minimum EQM accruals once you reach MVP. Depends on how short the distance is. Some short flights would earn more EQMs than they do today with a status bonus.

A bit tougher for people starting from General Member until they reach an elite tier, but would be worth it after.

Slightly fewer RDMs than before but those flights didn't generate that many RDMs in the first place, and I think most here value EQMs much more.

Hope they can clarify whethet status multiplier applies to EQMs soon.
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Originally Posted by John26
What's interesting is that if there is an elite multiplier for EQMs, that would kind of make up for the lack of 500 minimum EQM accruals once you reach MVP. Depends on how short the distance is. Some short flights would earn more EQMs than they do today with a status bonus.

A bit tougher for people starting from General Member until they reach an elite tier, but would be worth it after.

Slightly fewer RDMs than before but those flights didn't generate that many RDMs in the first place, and I think most here value EQMs much more.

Hope they can clarify whethet status multiplier applies to EQMs soon.
Would love to be wrong, but I for one would be shocked if status multipliers will actually apply to status points. It seems more likely that the responder didnt understand the question they were answering.
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Old Aug 23, 2025 | 4:14 pm
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The timing of the implementation is the key question mark for me. I don't see how they can change it for tickets already purchased, as we bought them under a published set of earning rates. I have to assume they'll do what they did last year when they implemented the new earn rates for tickets purchased post-whateverdatethatwas.



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I am currently on pace to hit 85k this year. It seems like with all the proposed changes it may be worth it to push to get 100k this year and get all the accompanying bonuses this year and the additional head start and extra multiplier next year.

(assuming when the fine print comes out things aren't so bad that it makes sense to ditch AS altogether)
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Originally Posted by navydevildoc
Yuuuuup, the whole status points vs redeemable points has already been mired in confusion because they don't specify in very key ways.
https://www.alaskaair.com/atmosrewar...s/2026-updates
COMING LATER IN 2026
Choose how you earn
A first for a global airline, choose how you earn points and status points on flights. Choose to earn based on how far you travel, how much you spend, or how frequently you fly. Status holders will continue earning bonus points based on their selection. If you change your mind, you have the freedom to change how you earn once each year.
To use the word "points" as both a measure of status earning and the quantity for redeemable awards is confusing (as was "miles").
For example BA use tier points for status and avios as the quantity for redeemable awards. QF have status credits and (redeemable) points. AA moved away from using the same word. Far less confusion.
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Originally Posted by jarodmc
Would love to be wrong, but I for one would be shocked if status multipliers will actually apply to status points. It seems more likely that the responder didnt understand the question they were answering.
Absolutely agree, I was typing something similar in a post at the same time. No way they're going to let us earn 250% distance *towards status* on discount Y, right? I still think it's possible that they'll give the bump on revenue people - 12.5x/$ is in the ballpark of the 11x/$ AA gives, and 5x/$ is paltry in comparison.
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
To use the word "points" as both a measure of status earning and the quantity for redeemable awards is confusing (as was "miles").
For example BA use tier points for status and avios as the quantity for redeemable awards. QF have status credits and (redeemable) points. AA moved away from using the same word. Far less confusion.
They could simply solve this problem by *never* allowing "points" to stand alone. They are either "Redeemable Points" or "Status Points", and never allow the term "points" without the qualifier. But of course that didn't happen.
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