Jan 31, 2024, 5:20 pm
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In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,Mexico City*, Sao Paulo and Dubai.
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
AF « La Première » Outlook
Aug 5, 2022, 7:19 pm
#1231
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Sonoma
Programs: Several here and there, but not as many during my road warrior days!
Posts: 715
I was told by my driver the Tesla's didn't have enough leg room in the backseat. I had a 7 series in each direction.
Last edited by sonomawine; Aug 5, 2022 at 7:26 pm
Aug 9, 2022, 4:01 am
#1232
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Paris and around the WW
Programs: AF/KLM Club2000 Ultimate / M&M HON Circle / ALL Diamond / Hertz President Circle
Posts: 1,040
Flew back from MEX last Saturday and I was the only pax in P (reminded me the Covid times 
Excellent trip despite the strong turbulences.
You really feel you're flying private when just by yourself in the cabin
Excellent trip despite the strong turbulences.
You really feel you're flying private when just by yourself in the cabin
Aug 9, 2022, 12:33 pm
#1235
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver • DEN-APA
Programs: AF Platinum, EK Gold, AA EXP, UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 21,619
Looking at next week 8/15-8/21 per EF...
• LAX-CDG has only 12 P/F seats (only 1 F seat) available out of 56 seats (79% load)
• SFO-CDG has 23 P/F seats (9 F seats) available out of 56 seats (59%)
• Surprisingly JFK-CDG has 66 P/F seats (39 F seats) available out of 112 seats (41%)
Three of us are on the late SFO-CDG flight at the end of next week and sadly someone bought the last seat at full P.
Aug 9, 2022, 3:09 pm
#1236
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,052
Same with SFO and especially LAX.
Looking at next week 8/15-8/21 per EF...
• LAX-CDG has only 12 P/F seats (only 1 F seat) available out of 56 seats (79% load)
• SFO-CDG has 23 P/F seats (9 F seats) available out of 56 seats (59%)
• Surprisingly JFK-CDG has 66 P/F seats (39 F seats) available out of 112 seats (41%)
Three of us are on the late SFO-CDG flight at the end of next week and sadly someone bought the last seat at full P.
Looking at next week 8/15-8/21 per EF...
• LAX-CDG has only 12 P/F seats (only 1 F seat) available out of 56 seats (79% load)
• SFO-CDG has 23 P/F seats (9 F seats) available out of 56 seats (59%)
• Surprisingly JFK-CDG has 66 P/F seats (39 F seats) available out of 112 seats (41%)
Three of us are on the late SFO-CDG flight at the end of next week and sadly someone bought the last seat at full P.
… and this does not take into account the paid upgrades offered a few days before the departure and as well at OLCI
If you look at regularly at availability within 48 hours before departure, you’ll notice that AF meets pretty good hit-ratio of upgrade offers even at almost 3000 $ on a LAX-CDG
Aug 9, 2022, 3:14 pm
#1237
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NYC -- UA 1K; SPG Platinum; HH Diamond.
Posts: 2,925
Same with SFO and especially LAX.
Looking at next week 8/15-8/21 per EF...
• LAX-CDG has only 12 P/F seats (only 1 F seat) available out of 56 seats (79% load)
• SFO-CDG has 23 P/F seats (9 F seats) available out of 56 seats (59%)
• Surprisingly JFK-CDG has 66 P/F seats (39 F seats) available out of 112 seats (41%)
Three of us are on the late SFO-CDG flight at the end of next week and sadly someone bought the last seat at full P.
Looking at next week 8/15-8/21 per EF...
• LAX-CDG has only 12 P/F seats (only 1 F seat) available out of 56 seats (79% load)
• SFO-CDG has 23 P/F seats (9 F seats) available out of 56 seats (59%)
• Surprisingly JFK-CDG has 66 P/F seats (39 F seats) available out of 112 seats (41%)
Three of us are on the late SFO-CDG flight at the end of next week and sadly someone bought the last seat at full P.
Out of JFK, my experience has also been that a lot of seats are sold very close to/day of departure, so I expect that load % to spike.
PS is there a shortcut on EF to get those aggregate numbers or did you add them up day by day?
Aug 9, 2022, 3:27 pm
#1238
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver • DEN-APA
Programs: AF Platinum, EK Gold, AA EXP, UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 21,619
Aug 9, 2022, 7:02 pm
#1239
Join Date: May 2021
Programs: Flying Blue Gold, BA Bronze, Ex-skywards Platnium
Posts: 646
Is it always this busy throughout the year or only when it's summer/holiday season?
Aug 9, 2022, 9:36 pm
#1240
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NYC -- UA 1K; SPG Platinum; HH Diamond.
Posts: 2,925
Would have to agree based on my experience. I booked my P flights two months before I flew them and I had false hope of an empty cabin until 2 weeks before my departures respectively out of JFK.
Is it always this busy throughout the year or only when it's summer/holiday season?
Is it always this busy throughout the year or only when it's summer/holiday season?
Aug 10, 2022, 7:04 pm
#1241
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Sonoma
Programs: Several here and there, but not as many during my road warrior days!
Posts: 715
Aug 10, 2022, 7:51 pm
#1242
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver • DEN-APA
Programs: AF Platinum, EK Gold, AA EXP, UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 21,619
Aug 11, 2022, 12:57 am
#1243
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Switzerland
Programs: AFKL Flying Blue Platinum Ultimate, Marriott Bonvoy Ambassador Elite
Posts: 369
Flew a full P 10 days ago and the service was amazing, really top notch except from a slightly bad scheduled hertz service from downtown Paris to CDG - I arrived at the lounge 40 minutes later than expected because of congestion at 7:30am at CDG. We literally spent the additional 40m in queue for 2E. If you get that service, please ask for some extra time, you never know 
I was able to get treatment from the spa (it was really needed), and I didn't remember how awesome the scrambled eggs were in the P lounge. Really perfect.
Yesterday I was in a very unusual AF69 LAX-CDG which departed with almost full J cabin and empty P. I didn't get upgraded to P, but I've got champagne, wine, and digestif from P proactively offered as one of the unofficial Ultimate benefits.
I was able to get treatment from the spa (it was really needed), and I didn't remember how awesome the scrambled eggs were in the P lounge. Really perfect.Yesterday I was in a very unusual AF69 LAX-CDG which departed with almost full J cabin and empty P. I didn't get upgraded to P, but I've got champagne, wine, and digestif from P proactively offered as one of the unofficial Ultimate benefits.
Aug 11, 2022, 7:08 pm
#1245
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Sonoma
Programs: Several here and there, but not as many during my road warrior days!
Posts: 715
$1,897.40 which I was pleased with. I have to say the experience was not great. The food was inedible, service was completely off, and there was an apology from the FA about neglecting me. For some reason the FA couldn't keep up with 4 passengers and none of us were particularly demanding.