AF selling business seats on a one-class flight?
Apr 21, 2017, 3:20 am
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AF selling business seats on a one-class flight?
I booked a flight AMS-MRS, MRS-CDG-AMS and paid for a business fare that booked into a C fare.
Now, when selecting my seat AMS-MRS, it is a Y-only cabin. how is this even possible?
Not only that, 90% of the seats are actually blocked. EF shows open seats up front and essentially everything behind row 5 is blocked but the AF site only showed 2 seats open - 10A and 10F.
Is this normal practice for AF?
Now, when selecting my seat AMS-MRS, it is a Y-only cabin. how is this even possible?
Not only that, 90% of the seats are actually blocked. EF shows open seats up front and essentially everything behind row 5 is blocked but the AF site only showed 2 seats open - 10A and 10F.
Is this normal practice for AF?
Apr 21, 2017, 6:11 am
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Lots of bugs going regarding seat maps on AF medium hault. This segment is Y only, there's no J service or separated class.
I booked a AMS-MRS in Y for may and I was able to seat on row 1.
I booked a AMS-MRS in Y for may and I was able to seat on row 1.
Apr 21, 2017, 6:40 am
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Interesting as they are obviously selling J fares... and now the Y fare is so expensive that there is no point in trying to change. Glad I paid 800 euros for my business fare.
Wish I had known as I would have taken another route/airline. First and last time I am flying AF intra europe.
Wish I had known as I would have taken another route/airline. First and last time I am flying AF intra europe.
Apr 21, 2017, 6:45 am
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Interesting as they are obviously selling J fares... and now the Y fare is so expensive that there is no point in trying to change. Glad I paid 800 euros for my business fare.
Wish I had known as I would have taken another route/airline. First and last time I am flying AF intra europe.
Wish I had known as I would have taken another route/airline. First and last time I am flying AF intra europe.
For the seat assignment, try KLM website.
If it does not work, it will be possible when you OLCI, but it should work.
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Apr 21, 2017, 6:48 am
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AFAIK all domestic AF flights are one class, coach only. If your destination is anywhere in France other than Paris, you need to take a flight from AMS and not connect through Paris.
I suspect that a business class AF ticket, even if domestic with no business class cabin, gets you lounge access. It worked that way for me a long time ago on some Air Europa flight that was one class but sold/ticketed as business class without warning.
I suspect that a business class AF ticket, even if domestic with no business class cabin, gets you lounge access. It worked that way for me a long time ago on some Air Europa flight that was one class but sold/ticketed as business class without warning.
Apr 21, 2017, 6:56 am
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- AMS/MRS : direct European flight (not domestic) so should have C.
- MRS/CDG/AMS : he will be in Y on the domestic segment and C on CDG/AMS.
P.S. You do not "need" to take a direct flight from AMS. You CAN (when they exist), as there is not always a direct flights from every French city to AMS. Many times, you HAVE to fly through CDG (or even worse ORY).
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Apr 21, 2017, 9:21 am
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2015 I took a leg from LHR-CDG in business. Except not business class like your map shows. There were two of us. We got seat A and C. B was left empty. I guess that was our business class.
Apr 21, 2017, 12:12 pm
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If 2-2 (like E190), there there is no blocked seat.
To the OP avi8tir : did you try KLM website? Are you making any progress? It is OK to come here to complain and ask for advice, but some feedback would be nice.
Apr 21, 2017, 2:43 pm
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I spoke with Air France again and they were zero help.
I kept asking the question, "How can you sell a business class C fare on a flight that is coach only??"
The response was negligible. KL site was no different than the AF site... same issue.
I'll likely cancel and just go Alitalia through FCO --- I can deal with Y, but it's a matter of principal at this point.
I kept asking the question, "How can you sell a business class C fare on a flight that is coach only??"
The response was negligible. KL site was no different than the AF site... same issue.
I'll likely cancel and just go Alitalia through FCO --- I can deal with Y, but it's a matter of principal at this point.
Apr 21, 2017, 3:07 pm
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I spoke with Air France again and they were zero help.
I kept asking the question, "How can you sell a business class C fare on a flight that is coach only??"
The response was negligible. KL site was no different than the AF site... same issue.
I'll likely cancel and just go Alitalia through FCO --- I can deal with Y, but it's a matter of principal at this point.
I kept asking the question, "How can you sell a business class C fare on a flight that is coach only??"
The response was negligible. KL site was no different than the AF site... same issue.
I'll likely cancel and just go Alitalia through FCO --- I can deal with Y, but it's a matter of principal at this point.
What is a "negligible" answer"?
Does this flight have a biz class cabin or not?
Is the issue with the flight itself (i.e. no C class cabin) or with the plane map?
Apr 21, 2017, 8:01 pm
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There is no separate, fixed-size business cabin with differentiated seating as on US carriers.
As you have a business ticket, you are restricted to choosing a seat in the front of the cabin, which is where all business class customers are seated. You cannot sit in an economy row, which at this time and for your flight means row 6 and back.
Apr 21, 2017, 10:08 pm
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Can you explain what AF told you?
There is a C cabin on your AF flight, so which issue are you facing that AF cannot solve?