Jul 21, 2015, 3:15 am
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LIST OF ROUTES/FLIGHTS WITH BEST SEATS - update 21 April, 2017. Flights looked up for week of June 12, 2017
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Boeing 777-200ER in modification process : 2/25
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Boeing 777-200ER 312 seats (28J) J-W-Y with new cabins : 3/25
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Boeing 777-300ER 468 seats J-W-Y "CIO" without new cabins : 12/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Code:
F-GSPA – NEV4 F-GSPE – NEV4 F-GSPM – NEV4 F-GSPZ – NEV4
Code:
F-GSPD F-GSPP
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Code:
F-GSPB – BEST F-GSPC – BEST F-GSPF – BEST F-GSPG – BEST F-GSPH – BEST F-GSPI – BEST F-GSPJ - BEST F-GSPK – BEST F-GSPQ – BEST F-GSPR – BEST F-GSPS – BEST F-GSPT – BEST F-GSPU – BEST F-GSPV – BEST F-GSPX – BEST F-GSPY – BESTor
Code:
F-GSPL – BEST F-GSPO – BEST F-GSPN – BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Code:
All Converted to BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Code:
F-GSQD – NEV4 F-GSQE – NEV4 F-GZNH – NEV4 F-GZNI – NEV4 F-GZNJ - NEV4 F-GZNK – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Code:
F-GSQA – BEST F-GSQB – BEST F-GSQC – BEST F-GSQF – BEST F-GSQG – BEST F-GSQH – BEST F-GSQI – BEST F-GSQJ – BEST F-GSQK – BEST F-GSQL – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GSQM – BEST F-GSQU - BEST F-GSQV – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GZNA – BEST F-GZNB - BEST F-GZNC – BEST F-GZND - BEST F-GZNE – BESTor
Code:
F-GSQN – NEV4 F-GSQO – NEV4 F-GSQP – NEV4 F-GSQR – NEV4 F-GSQS – NEV4 F-GSQT – NEV4 F-GSQX – NEV4 F-GZNF – NEV4 F-GZNG – NEV4 F-GZNL – NEV4 F-GZNN – NEV4 F-GZNO – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
Code:
F-GZNP – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2015) F-GZNQ – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in May 2015) F-GZNR – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in November 2015) F-GZNS - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNT - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNU - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2016)
777 New Cabins - Deployment Schedule
Nov 5, 2014, 11:12 am
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According to this press release from Oct 31 all flights CDG-HND will be operated with the new cabin from Dec 31
http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...dair-france-1/
http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...dair-france-1/
Nov 5, 2014, 2:04 pm
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The release says that the new C will be offered on these routes, not that all these routes will have new C.
My HND flight still shows new C. My first AF long haul in 2 years and if they change it probably my last again...
My HND flight still shows new C. My first AF long haul in 2 years and if they change it probably my last again...
Nov 5, 2014, 8:15 pm
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To be fair to AF, their press release for HND (dated 31 October on AF website) says that 274/293 will operate daily with BEST from 10 November and that the 4-weekly 272/279 will get BEST from 31 December. That is what is loaded as seat maps. SO all 11 flights to HND should get BEST by the start of 2015.
Nov 6, 2014, 12:44 am
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To be fair to AF, their press release for HND (dated 31 October on AF website) says that 274/293 will operate daily with BEST from 10 November and that the 4-weekly 272/279 will get BEST from 31 December. That is what is loaded as seat maps. SO all 11 flights to HND should get BEST by the start of 2015.
I guess I find it slightly reminiscent of economic performance announcements by the Soviet Supreme in the 1980s
Nov 6, 2014, 7:07 am
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To be fair to AF, their press release for HND (dated 31 October on AF website) says that 274/293 will operate daily with BEST from 10 November and that the 4-weekly 272/279 will get BEST from 31 December. That is what is loaded as seat maps. SO all 11 flights to HND should get BEST by the start of 2015.
Indeed, but the previous communication including to TA was that ALL HND flights would be equipped by early November. So we are back to square 1: AF is "internally consistent" in that it matches seat maps to announcements, but is externally very happy to supersede an announcement with another and gently "omit" the fact that this is a correction on a previous announcement and that passengers have been inconvenienced on the way.
I guess I find it slightly reminiscent of economic performance announcements by the Soviet Supreme in the 1980s
I guess I find it slightly reminiscent of economic performance announcements by the Soviet Supreme in the 1980s
(I'll never complain about TG lotery again!
)
Nov 9, 2014, 6:08 am
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I flew yesterday CDG to JFK with FGSPT, THE famous first 772 with new seats. Tis was my second time testing BEST business seats. Although I agree with all other posts saying that these new seats are way better the older NEV seats, I had again that strange feeling because your seat make an angle with the cabin itself, and the direction the plane is heading. It is a bit unconfortable. Also, I noted that most seats have already suffered: caibnet door does not open, armrest does not lock in its down position, and small pièces broken all around the seat.
Last, but not the least, I was flying with a colleague: seats 7E and 7F.
There is absolutely no way you can chat with each either as the 2 large cabinets separate you. I would also not recommend these seats.. very Noisy galley, freezing air conditionning.
Hope for them AF did the right choice with these new seats...
Last, but not the least, I was flying with a colleague: seats 7E and 7F.
There is absolutely no way you can chat with each either as the 2 large cabinets separate you. I would also not recommend these seats.. very Noisy galley, freezing air conditionning.
Hope for them AF did the right choice with these new seats...
Nov 10, 2014, 5:31 am
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Hi all, just read all previous posts and answered a few of my questions already. I booked LHR-CDG-HND on AF272 on 21st Dec, at the time of the booking, I SPECIFICALLY asked the agent for a list of flight numbers that will have the new BEST seats, and AF272 was on that list, otherwise I would have booked on KLM's new Business class seats instead considering it's a red eye! Surprise surprise, this morning as i checked my booking on AF.com, the old seat config was showing, and most annoyingly the original seat selection of 5E 5F in the middle, have now become an aisle seat and a horrible middle seat! Thank god i checked, and fortunately 2A 2B are available for me to switch to, otherwise I'd be in for a hell of a shock and a huge disappointing start to my vacation if I find out at the airport! I called AF, the agent was very indifferent and said if I wanted to switch to the 274 with a fee she'd be happy to do that, WELL ... that would leave me waiting around at CDG for 6 hours, no thank you! I guess I will just have to accept it... it's very very annoying and disappointing none the less. Is the old Business seat really that bad and uncomfortable? I had not flown in them before! How does it compare to Lufthansa's Business seat (old type), because I have flown in them before and wasn't impressed...
Thanks all
Thanks all
Nov 10, 2014, 6:58 am
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Hi all, just read all previous posts and answered a few of my questions already. I booked LHR-CDG-HND on AF272 on 21st Dec, at the time of the booking, I SPECIFICALLY asked the agent for a list of flight numbers that will have the new BEST seats, and AF272 was on that list, otherwise I would have booked on KLM's new Business class seats instead considering it's a red eye! Surprise surprise, this morning as i checked my booking on AF.com, the old seat config was showing, and most annoyingly the original seat selection of 5E 5F in the middle, have now become an aisle seat and a horrible middle seat! Thank god i checked, and fortunately 2A 2B are available for me to switch to, otherwise I'd be in for a hell of a shock and a huge disappointing start to my vacation if I find out at the airport! I called AF, the agent was very indifferent and said if I wanted to switch to the 274 with a fee she'd be happy to do that, WELL ... that would leave me waiting around at CDG for 6 hours, no thank you! I guess I will just have to accept it... it's very very annoying and disappointing none the less. Is the old Business seat really that bad and uncomfortable? I had not flown in them before! How does it compare to Lufthansa's Business seat (old type), because I have flown in them before and wasn't impressed...
Thanks all
Thanks all
But we are more than one month before departure and AF could well have to use a plane with old seats for AF274.
If you ask the same question as others on AF NEVs, you will get the same answers that you already read. It depends on the NEV generation, but they are not very different from the old LH.
Nov 10, 2014, 7:17 am
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If you change flights, you might as well change the LHR-CDG for the same change cost. And there are convenient flights to connect with AF274 (the safe one is AF1281 with 3h25 transit time which is safe (AF1181 only has 1h05).
But we are more than one month before departure and AF could well have to use a plane with old seats for AF274.
If you ask the same question as others on AF NEVs, you will get the same answers that you already read. It depends on the NEV generation, but they are not very different from the old LH.
But we are more than one month before departure and AF could well have to use a plane with old seats for AF274.
If you ask the same question as others on AF NEVs, you will get the same answers that you already read. It depends on the NEV generation, but they are not very different from the old LH.
Good point though about the tight connnection. Well, I suppose, if they delay our flight out of LHR, and result in us missing the 272, at least we have 274 as a safety net? you are right, who knows if they would be ready to fly the new seats on 274 right?
Nov 12, 2014, 1:05 am
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I flew yesterday CDG to JFK with FGSPT, THE famous first 772 with new seats. Tis was my second time testing BEST business seats. Although I agree with all other posts saying that these new seats are way better the older NEV seats, I had again that strange feeling because your seat make an angle with the cabin itself, and the direction the plane is heading. It is a bit unconfortable. Also, I noted that most seats have already suffered: caibnet door does not open, armrest does not lock in its down position, and small pièces broken all around the seat.
Last, but not the least, I was flying with a colleague: seats 7E and 7F.
There is absolutely no way you can chat with each either as the 2 large cabinets separate you. I would also not recommend these seats.. very Noisy galley, freezing air conditionning.
Hope for them AF did the right choice with these new seats...
Last, but not the least, I was flying with a colleague: seats 7E and 7F.
There is absolutely no way you can chat with each either as the 2 large cabinets separate you. I would also not recommend these seats.. very Noisy galley, freezing air conditionning.
Hope for them AF did the right choice with these new seats...
The lighweight AF version with only two movable cushion and fewer motors might not have that functionality. Maybe some others can confirm as I have not flown it yet.
Nov 13, 2014, 7:08 am
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Air France is a giant joke!
If you want to be sure to fly on the new bz seats, I think it's better to wait one or two years.
I booked AF8 CDG-JFK, to fly on the new business class. I did research to be sure to have the new seat (seating chart 1-2-1) before booking. After booking, I was able to choose seats 1E/1F on Air France website and it was showing the new configuration (1-2-1 for the seat selection).
Finally, Yesterday, I checked in on line and still had 1E/1F on my boarding pass and the online checking seat chart was still 1-2-1.
At the counter for luggage drop, they printed us new boarding pass (row 8) without any explanation. And we finally flew on an old crappy business angled class seat (2-3-2). Nobody was able to tell us why we had a plane change.
It seems that Air France have only a few planes with the new configuration (at the most less than 5 planes) but not enough to do all the routes they advertise with the new business class seats. They always show the new seating chat, but they change seat assignment at the last minute... (Well it happened to us yesterday, and talking with a few people, it seems it happened already a few times before) Did somebody have the same experience?
Now I'm trying to understand more the way it work. Does anyone know if we can have the list of the planes equipped planes somewhere?
According to http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af8/ , I flew yesterday F-GSPR and it's an old BZ seat.
Press released and Wikipedia showed that F-GSPT and F-GSQH has the new configuration
I also went on http://www.airfleets.fr/ficheapp/plane-b777-32310.htm to check a few plane but I don't know it this website is really accurate: I found only F-GSPZ, F-GSPE...
If you want to be sure to fly on the new bz seats, I think it's better to wait one or two years.
I booked AF8 CDG-JFK, to fly on the new business class. I did research to be sure to have the new seat (seating chart 1-2-1) before booking. After booking, I was able to choose seats 1E/1F on Air France website and it was showing the new configuration (1-2-1 for the seat selection).
Finally, Yesterday, I checked in on line and still had 1E/1F on my boarding pass and the online checking seat chart was still 1-2-1.
At the counter for luggage drop, they printed us new boarding pass (row 8) without any explanation. And we finally flew on an old crappy business angled class seat (2-3-2). Nobody was able to tell us why we had a plane change.
It seems that Air France have only a few planes with the new configuration (at the most less than 5 planes) but not enough to do all the routes they advertise with the new business class seats. They always show the new seating chat, but they change seat assignment at the last minute... (Well it happened to us yesterday, and talking with a few people, it seems it happened already a few times before) Did somebody have the same experience?
Now I'm trying to understand more the way it work. Does anyone know if we can have the list of the planes equipped planes somewhere?
According to http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af8/ , I flew yesterday F-GSPR and it's an old BZ seat.
Press released and Wikipedia showed that F-GSPT and F-GSQH has the new configuration
I also went on http://www.airfleets.fr/ficheapp/plane-b777-32310.htm to check a few plane but I don't know it this website is really accurate: I found only F-GSPZ, F-GSPE...
Nov 13, 2014, 1:42 pm
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Hello Eric,
I was scheduled AF9 JFK-CDG Nov. 12th. I had choosen this flight month ago very specifically for AF new BIZ. I found out the day before Nov 11th that F-GSPT had technical issues and did not make its normal rotation to KIX. I guess this is why there was a late minute change of configuration.
I had long discussions on the phone with AF which allowed me to change to an earlier flight waiving penalties. AF9 is very late in JFK! As I said previously here, I'm not a bit fan of AF new BIZ. But old 777 are really bad...
and cabin crew to and from JFK are not that good either.
Franck
I was scheduled AF9 JFK-CDG Nov. 12th. I had choosen this flight month ago very specifically for AF new BIZ. I found out the day before Nov 11th that F-GSPT had technical issues and did not make its normal rotation to KIX. I guess this is why there was a late minute change of configuration.
I had long discussions on the phone with AF which allowed me to change to an earlier flight waiving penalties. AF9 is very late in JFK! As I said previously here, I'm not a bit fan of AF new BIZ. But old 777 are really bad...
and cabin crew to and from JFK are not that good either.
Franck
Nov 13, 2014, 2:20 pm
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Thanks Frank!
You're right. According to flightstats, AF291 (F-GSPT) arrived about 7 hours late in CDG on Nov 12th. So AF8 on nov 12th was probably schedule on F-GSPT. If I had the info, I would probably have tried to change flight as well. How did you get the info ?
You're right. According to flightstats, AF291 (F-GSPT) arrived about 7 hours late in CDG on Nov 12th. So AF8 on nov 12th was probably schedule on F-GSPT. If I had the info, I would probably have tried to change flight as well. How did you get the info ?
Nov 13, 2014, 2:25 pm
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By just following up F-GSPT in flight aware and my own flight seat nap with expert flyer. Change of configuration appeared Nov. 11
Nov 13, 2014, 3:34 pm
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I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that. It is not as though AF had dedicated crews flying the AF route! AF long haul crews have theoretical dominant areas of attribution (Americas, Africa, Asia, etc) but in recent years this has become entirely theoretical and in effect all fly pretty much everywhere, bar a few local language specialists (but that of course would not apply to JFK).