AC8646 (CR9 / C-GNJZ) collides with vehicle at LGA
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I can't help but feel for the guy, really and truly.
Main thoughts to the pilots and crew, and of course passengers. Yet another example of reasons to be aware at all times on a moving plane and listen to flight crew.
As an aside - bear in mind I have no knowledge in this area - is it normal/within regulations to have only one person controlling in this situation? From a completely lay person's point of view this feels like it should be manned by more than one person at a time.
I work despatching emergency vehicles and we have 2 despatchers and a controller overseeing at ALL times on the one channel - and air traffic has FAR more risk involved on a large scale.
(I'm also in the UK so maybe there are different regulations in the US)
Main thoughts to the pilots and crew, and of course passengers. Yet another example of reasons to be aware at all times on a moving plane and listen to flight crew.
As an aside - bear in mind I have no knowledge in this area - is it normal/within regulations to have only one person controlling in this situation? From a completely lay person's point of view this feels like it should be manned by more than one person at a time.
I work despatching emergency vehicles and we have 2 despatchers and a controller overseeing at ALL times on the one channel - and air traffic has FAR more risk involved on a large scale.
(I'm also in the UK so maybe there are different regulations in the US)
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A little convoluted but does explain what else was going on to a certain degree, fire truck going to help another flight with issues
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news...hicle-collide/
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news...hicle-collide/
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Of course nothing takes away from just how horrific this is for all involved. Nothing.
I am just curious about the facts ie. legal minimum requirements etc. Not in any way to apportion blame. The controller was distraught and I cannot imagine they will ever forget this.
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Just heartbreaking. My thoughts are with everyone affected. May the deceased RIP and the injured have a full & speedy recovery.
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Kudos to the rear FA, I'm assuming the SD was the one ejected (and thank goodness they were reported to have survived), but the rear FA would have been the only crew member left in the hull. Does the CR9 have a megaphone in the back, or is there only one in the front onboard?
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I don't know what the protocol is for vehicles and ground control, but one would have to think that if the aircraft was that close, someone on the truck would have been able to see it approaching. How on earth did they not see it?
This is a horrible and 100% preventable tragedy. My heart goes out to the families of all involved, and particularly the families of the pilots and of the controller, who seemed to be burdened with far more than he should have been.
This is a horrible and 100% preventable tragedy. My heart goes out to the families of all involved, and particularly the families of the pilots and of the controller, who seemed to be burdened with far more than he should have been.
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twitter has some news around an AC flight have colllided with a firetruck in LGA while taxiing to the gate. . Airport is currently closed.
The impact looks serious, seems like the entire nose is gone from the initial report
https://x.com/conflictalarm/status/2...235580185?s=46
The impact looks serious, seems like the entire nose is gone from the initial report
https://x.com/conflictalarm/status/2...235580185?s=46
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Truck 1 and Company were cleared to cross Rwy 4 at D while Jazz 646 was on short final.
Usually only the leader is in contact with the ATC and the rest follow the leader and monitor the radio only, supposedly there were a couple of vehicles crossing at the same time.
Should they have called out "cleared right" before proceeding? yes but I am not driving the fire truck, what do I know? They were responding to a separate emergency, the visibility may not be great at the time or they misjudged the landing light on the Jazz as a departing plane lining up on Rwy 4.
The fault is not to be blamed on a single induvial but a systemic failure.
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Given the increasing number of ATC close calls over the last few years (that seem to be increasing recently based on my subjective viewing of ATC incidents) on top of the staffing situation, not to mention the stress caused by US Budget issues, perhaps the saddest thing about this was how utterly predictable it was. Despite the horrific loss of life here, it could have been a lot worse. And the conditions for more incidents are still ever-present.
Just a sick feeling in the stomach today for that whole crew, the firefighters and the controller. Awful.
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There will be specifics for this situation in the investigation. But I hope to see some of these things addressed.
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The airplane would have been at a greater-than 90 angle due to the angle of the taxiway on which they were crossing. It was also dark and raining. If they looked 90 to their right, they would not have seen the airplane, or at least not seen it as a threat.
There also should have been red runway status lights (RWSL) showing as that intersection. When they are illuminated, you are not to cross, even if ATC tells you to cross. If those were working, the truck driver(s) missed those, too.



