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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 6:14 am
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Originally Posted by Coffeemadman
I can't help but feel for the guy, really and truly.

Main thoughts to the pilots and crew, and of course passengers. Yet another example of reasons to be aware at all times on a moving plane and listen to flight crew.

As an aside - bear in mind I have no knowledge in this area - is it normal/within regulations to have only one person controlling in this situation? From a completely lay person's point of view this feels like it should be manned by more than one person at a time.

I work despatching emergency vehicles and we have 2 despatchers and a controller overseeing at ALL times on the one channel - and air traffic has FAR more risk involved on a large scale.

(I'm also in the UK so maybe there are different regulations in the US)
I don't want to speak to what the staffing regulations *should* be, but just for context, LGA typically has seven arrivals between midnight and 6 AM.
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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by StandbyFlyerAC
That Arriving Soon message is giving me chills honestly
it would be morbid/interesting to see if the dread see gate agent message was in the airport arrivals screen after the collision
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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 6:36 am
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Originally Posted by tennessetom
A little convoluted but does explain what else was going on to a certain degree, fire truck going to help another flight with issues

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news...hicle-collide/
Explains why the first reporting was for an incident involving a United aircraft.
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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 7:09 am
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Originally Posted by steveholt
I don't want to speak to what the staffing regulations *should* be, but just for context, LGA typically has seven arrivals between midnight and 6 AM.
Thanks.

Of course nothing takes away from just how horrific this is for all involved. Nothing.

I am just curious about the facts ie. legal minimum requirements etc. Not in any way to apportion blame. The controller was distraught and I cannot imagine they will ever forget this.
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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 7:19 am
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Just heartbreaking. My thoughts are with everyone affected. May the deceased RIP and the injured have a full & speedy recovery.
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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 7:28 am
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Originally Posted by IADCAflyer
Explains why the first reporting was for an incident involving a United aircraft.
it is reported that United requested fire department to check an unusual odor.... they were on the way there
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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 7:32 am
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VASAviation has a video that includes a bit more of the context.

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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 7:39 am
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Kudos to the rear FA, I'm assuming the SD was the one ejected (and thank goodness they were reported to have survived), but the rear FA would have been the only crew member left in the hull. Does the CR9 have a megaphone in the back, or is there only one in the front onboard?
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I don't know what the protocol is for vehicles and ground control, but one would have to think that if the aircraft was that close, someone on the truck would have been able to see it approaching. How on earth did they not see it?

This is a horrible and 100% preventable tragedy. My heart goes out to the families of all involved, and particularly the families of the pilots and of the controller, who seemed to be burdened with far more than he should have been.
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Originally Posted by Jumper Jack
twitter has some news around an AC flight have colllided with a firetruck in LGA while taxiing to the gate. . Airport is currently closed.


The impact looks serious, seems like the entire nose is gone from the initial report

https://x.com/conflictalarm/status/2...235580185?s=46
Wow!! I cant believe it! Fire truck didnt stop! Stay away from the aircraft! He didnt listen to the ATC. Stay off the taxiing ways!
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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 7:58 am
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Just heartbreaking - RIP to those who passed - my heart goes out to their loved ones.
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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by N830MH
Wow!! I can’t believe it! Fire truck didn’t stop! Stay away from the aircraft! He didn’t listen to the ATC. Stay off the taxiing ways!
I don't exactly understand what's your point here?

Truck 1 and Company were cleared to cross Rwy 4 at D while Jazz 646 was on short final.
Usually only the leader is in contact with the ATC and the rest follow the leader and monitor the radio only, supposedly there were a couple of vehicles crossing at the same time.

Should they have called out "cleared right" before proceeding? yes but I am not driving the fire truck, what do I know? They were responding to a separate emergency, the visibility may not be great at the time or they misjudged the landing light on the Jazz as a departing plane lining up on Rwy 4.
The fault is not to be blamed on a single induvial but a systemic failure.
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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 8:34 am
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Originally Posted by PLeblond
Given the increasing number of ATC close calls over the last few years (that seem to be increasing recently based on my subjective viewing of ATC incidents) on top of the staffing situation, not to mention the stress caused by US Budget issues, perhaps the saddest thing about this was how utterly predictable it was. Despite the horrific loss of life here, it could have been a lot worse. And the conditions for more incidents are still ever-present.
This is absolutely accurate. My other half is a FA, and shes been talking about the worsening situation in the US airspace. After this incident, weve decided it simply isnt work the risk to work US flights, and will be taking any steps we can to keep them out of her schedule. We had already been reducing overnight stays in the US, but until things improve, we think the best course of action is to just not operate there. Its not just ATC issues, the stress level in the airports is off the charts (and sure to get worse with ICE on the ground as of today), and that directly impacts the potential for passenger issues onboard.

Just a sick feeling in the stomach today for that whole crew, the firefighters and the controller. Awful.
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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by steveholt
I don't want to speak to what the staffing regulations *should* be, but just for context, LGA typically has seven arrivals between midnight and 6 AM.
This is a good example though of a core problem in ATC right now (at least US and Canada). Were making decisions that are ok when things go as planned but remove a ton of resiliency. Flights get delayed or something happens and suddenly the expected quiet time still has heavy traffic.

There will be specifics for this situation in the investigation. But I hope to see some of these things addressed.
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Old Mar 23, 2026 | 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by Symmetre
one would have to think that if the aircraft was that close, someone on the truck would have been able to see it approaching. How on earth did they not see it?
People make mistakes.

The airplane would have been at a greater-than 90 angle due to the angle of the taxiway on which they were crossing. It was also dark and raining. If they looked 90 to their right, they would not have seen the airplane, or at least not seen it as a threat.

There also should have been red runway status lights (RWSL) showing as that intersection. When they are illuminated, you are not to cross, even if ATC tells you to cross. If those were working, the truck driver(s) missed those, too.

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