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Bartolo May 19, 2025 3:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Mikey Mike Mike (Post 37095325)
So we are now leaving at 8pm allegedly!

an update on the app which had been u reliable to date!

a Menzies staff member came to the Fullers bar and restaurant at 7pm shouting that the flight was boarding and we’d be escorted through security. We were taken to the security gates, but not let through by Heathrow Airport staff as our boarding passes have already been scanned at the gates. There now appears to be a stand off between Heathrow and Ac/ Menzies as they are trying to avoid issuing new boarding tickets passes which may be technically difficult as same flight number/ same day. Menzies wanted to walk us through on the existing pass. So we wait hearded in a queue with an aircraft due to leave at 8pm and a crew due to time out soon. Standby for the next act in this comedy!

What a shocking story. You are certainly entitled to a rant. Since AC will undoubtedly claim “safety issue”, it will be interesting to see what compensation (if any) they offer. Curious if J pad were treated any different.

Brought back memories of a Malaysian Air (5th freedom) flight from Paris to London many years ago. Most pax came from KL. A few got off in Paris. Some of us got on there. Normally a 1 hr flight. Turned out to be 20 hours but they were reasonably good about info sharing, bussing us to a nearby hotel, providing a room and dinner. Same issue going back to the aircraft thru passport control. Everything complicated by a couple of pax who did not have visas or necessary paperwork to enter France.

Hoping you got off and an uneventful trip back over the pond.

cfischer May 19, 2025 5:43 pm

Sounds normal for AC and LHR in particular. We had similar issues last years and a year later we are still waiting for the useless Canadian govt agency to pick up our case.
Stand your ground - keep claiming what you are due.

flyingcrooked May 20, 2025 3:04 am

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Originally Posted by cfischer (Post 37095863)
Sounds normal for AC and LHR in particular. We had similar issues last years and a year later we are still waiting for the useless Canadian govt agency to pick up our case.
Stand your ground - keep claiming what you are due.

If your flight last year was out of LHR, could you pursue under UK261? I've found AviationADR very useful when dealing with AC on ex UK flights, easy and they don't take any cut.


cfischer May 20, 2025 3:44 pm

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Originally Posted by flyingcrooked (Post 37096370)
If your flight last year was out of LHR, could you pursue under UK261? I've found AviationADR very useful when dealing with AC on ex UK flights, easy and they don't take any cut.

unfortunately into LHR …

SuperCargo May 21, 2025 7:44 am

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Originally Posted by Mikey Mike Mike (Post 37095237)
There is not a single AC rep at LHR with 8 or 9 inbound and outbound flights daily. The Menzies staff were good but in the dark!

Not that this helps, but there definitely are AC staff at LHR — concierges at the very least. I was on AC859 that day and at least one AC concierge was at the gate when we boarded around 5pm. Maybe they go off-duty after AC859 departs? The concierges at LHR are excellent normally.

I actually saw FIN 862 on the remote stand with buses around it as we were taxiing and was wondering what was going on. Sorry about your experience — sounded awful. Have had similar experiences with AC at YYZ, of all places, with boarding passes not working after being made to deplane and reboard after a plane’s gone MX. Infuriating.

eigenvector May 24, 2025 11:40 am

The YVR YYZ portion of AC 34 was delayed by about 1.5 hours today due to the death of a passenger on the inbound flight from SYD. This was announced by the captain after boarding.

As always, a transparent communication of the delay at the gate rather than silently delaying the flight in 30 minute increments at boarding time would have been appreciated. Surely AC was aware long before the originally scheduled boarding time of 8:15 AM that an on time departure wouldn’t be possible. I think all passengers would understand that completing the necessary formalities with the authorities for this situation takes extra time.

The flight was further delayed due to ATC and still hasn’t left YVR.

billdokes May 24, 2025 11:56 am

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Originally Posted by eigenvector (Post 37105374)
The YVR YYZ portion of AC 34 was delayed by about 1.5 hours today due to the death of a passenger on the inbound flight from SYD. This was announced by the captain after boarding.

As always, a transparent communication of the delay at the gate rather than silently delaying the flight in 30 minute increments at boarding time would have been appreciated. Surely AC was aware long before the originally scheduled boarding time of 8:15 AM that an on time departure wouldn’t be possible. I think all passengers would understand that completing the necessary formalities with the authorities for this situation takes extra time.

The flight was further delayed due to ATC and still hasn’t left YVR.

Nothing worse than the 'creeping delay' and waiting to the last second to post any delay...clearly as you state, AC knew there was going to be a delay before the inbound AC 34 leg arrived at YVR so there should have been no reason not to notify PAX so they could adjust their timing to arrive at the airport, move to other flights, etc...however sad as it is, AC doesn't subscribe to that logic and chooses to do these 'creeping delays' instead.

tcuhrc May 25, 2025 7:35 pm

AC 122 today onto its fourth delay (4.5 hours and counting)... does AC really not have the ability to find another widebody at YVR with FIN 735 looking quite kaput thus far? Given that they are claiming this is due to scheduled maintenance, one would think they have an incentive to do so especially close to/after 3 hours...

Bohemian1 May 25, 2025 9:49 pm

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Originally Posted by tcuhrc (Post 37107570)
AC 122 today onto its fourth delay (4.5 hours and counting)... does AC really not have the ability to find another widebody at YVR with FIN 735 looking quite kaput thus far? Given that they are claiming this is due to scheduled maintenance, one would think they have an incentive to do so especially close to/after 3 hours...

Amazingly, it does appear that it's due to scheduled to scheduled maintenance:

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DOAC122/25MAY
* OPERATIONAL FLIGHT INFO * AC 122 -1 SU 25MAY25
CITY INFO HOUR (LOCAL)

YVR ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 2100
DELAY SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 0419 ‡1 YYZ
YYZ AIRCRAFT EXPECTED AT GATE 0431 ‡1
*1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO* AC 122 -1 SU 25MAY25 ASM
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
YVR 1545 SU JCDZPROEA/M N/- 77W 4:26
YBMUHQVWSTL/F
KG/F F/-
YYZ 2311 SU 4:26
COMMENTS-
Stuff like this is generally considered within the airlines control and thus eligible for APPR compensation, for what it's worth. Based on the current delay, that's $400 per pax. Still really sucks to take this kind of a delay.

tcuhrc May 25, 2025 10:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Bohemian1 (Post 37107699)
Amazingly, it does appear that it's due to scheduled to scheduled maintenance:


Stuff like this is generally considered within the airlines control and thus eligible for APPR compensation, for what it's worth. Based on the current delay, that's $400 per pax. Still really sucks to take this kind of a delay.

they've now finally swapped the plane (and crew) for a 12am (expected) departure after like 8 delays... masterclass in how not to handle a delay imo, and a lot of APPR compensation per pax on a 77W

The Lev May 26, 2025 9:03 am

WifeLev filed for compensation with AC and got a response that "this flight was cancelled due to crew constraints" and "in accordance with the Air Passenger Protection Regulations a delay caused by crew constraints is outside of our control. ...???

How can not having replacement crews available from your largest base when a crew times out be beyond your control as an airline?

billdokes May 26, 2025 9:57 am

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Originally Posted by The Lev (Post 37108435)
WifeLev filed for compensation with AC and got a response that "this flight was cancelled due to crew constraints" and "in accordance with the Air Passenger Protection Regulations a delay caused by crew constraints is outside of our control. ...???

How can not having replacement crews available from your largest base when a crew times out be beyond your control as an airline?

I've also seen examples where 'scheduled maintenance' becomes 'un-scheduled maintenance for safety' 3 days later when you go in and check for compensation eligibility. So long as this is all in the hands of the Airlines with limited oversight and no penalties for bad behaviour they will continue to come up with ways not to pay.

tracon May 27, 2025 12:04 am

AC304 Saturday morning.

Unfortunately only a few seconds of the 2+ minute rant is heard here.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6773957

Bohemian1 May 27, 2025 10:18 am

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Originally Posted by tracon (Post 37109733)
AC304 Saturday morning.

Unfortunately only a few seconds of the 2+ minute rant is heard here.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6773957

I get the frustration and good on him for letting pax know why the flight was delayed. And even a way for pax to express their frustration. But the editorializing seemed unprofessional on his part.

TheViperOne May 27, 2025 1:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Bohemian1 (Post 37110645)
I get the frustration and good on him for letting pax know why the flight was delayed. And even a way for pax to express their frustration. But the editorializing seemed unprofessional on his part.

Especially since it’s based on rumor and conjecture.


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