Air Canada getting 26 A321 XLR
Mar 22, 2022, 7:17 pm
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Here's a quick map of the A321 XLR range from YUL : A map from Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper
Mar 22, 2022, 11:05 pm
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Here's a quick map of the A321 XLR range from YUL : A map from Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper
Mar 23, 2022, 12:27 am
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Mar 23, 2022, 5:47 am
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Great news with the A321XLR for the AC network! Guess it's the QR planes with that livery date?
The A321XLR or LR would probably have been my best bet on a direct flight between CPH-YUL.
"Unfortunately" SK is starting CPH and ARN-YYZ with their A321 LR and when AC recontinue YYZ-CPH with its (if its going to be as pre pandemic) 787, I'm quite sure that their will not be a market for a nother flight from Scandinavia to the east coast :/
Souch a shame that TS didn't have the chance to run their summer sheaduled flight YUL-CPH in 2020. I would have liked to see how much leasure travel that route could generate?
When that is said, it's going be most interesting to follow AC's choices of destinations!
The A321XLR or LR would probably have been my best bet on a direct flight between CPH-YUL.
"Unfortunately" SK is starting CPH and ARN-YYZ with their A321 LR and when AC recontinue YYZ-CPH with its (if its going to be as pre pandemic) 787, I'm quite sure that their will not be a market for a nother flight from Scandinavia to the east coast :/
Souch a shame that TS didn't have the chance to run their summer sheaduled flight YUL-CPH in 2020. I would have liked to see how much leasure travel that route could generate?
When that is said, it's going be most interesting to follow AC's choices of destinations!
Mar 23, 2022, 8:01 am
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What would some of the potential J products be? If I had to guess, I'd say they'll introduce something like Jetblue Mint suites. IMO, anything less would be ridiculous for a product coming out in 2024.
Mar 23, 2022, 8:37 am
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14 seats would suggest 1-1 as either herringbone or reverse herringbone. The original JetBlue Mint configuration would mean 12 or 16 seats depending on the number and configuration unless there was a row with seats on only one side. I suspect AC already knows what seat they are going to use and it will be announced shortly.
Mar 23, 2022, 9:31 am
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Not necessarily - keep in mind most of these birds will be leased from leasing companies, so the early time slots are probably coming from lessors who had already place "spec" orders with Airbus with later slots and options being bought direct from Airbus.
Mar 23, 2022, 9:33 am
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I don't know the inner workings of the deal, just wouldn't read anything in to the fact that lessors are involved.
Mar 23, 2022, 10:30 am
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- How many aircraft the airline needs
- How fast the has been aircraft selling
- How much the airline needs the aircraft, and when
- How much the airline wants to pay
- Whether the airline has a good relationship with the OEM
- Whether lessors have delivery positions that haven't already been committed
- Whether the airline has good relationships with said lessors
- What airline has run in to financial difficulty lately, or recently changed its strategy
- Whether the manufacturer can ramp up production
Back in 2019, the XLR was already sold out through 2023. Not long ago, I think there was talk that there were no slots available before 2026 or 2027.
If these AC XLRs were originally slots allocated to QR, that could be how AC was able to start getting them fairly soon. Or they could have come from lessors who hadn't yet leased the planes to customers. Or it's possible some other airline has cancelled its order or deferred delivery. Or Airbus might have decided to accelerate production because it was worried about making room in the market for Boeing to launch the NMA/797/whatever.
Mar 23, 2022, 10:31 am
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From YVR, DUB and NRT/HND would be just about in range (depending on winds, ETOPS, etc.). YVR-BOG and YVR-PTY direct flights are probably the most likely opportunities outside US/domestic routes though, and both less likely than connecting eastern cities with Europe I would have thought. I think our best hope from YVR is guaranteed lie-flats to YYZ/YUL and maybe EWR/BOS/ORD etc.
Mar 23, 2022, 10:36 am
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There isn't really a "normal" timeframe. It depends on, among other things:
Back in 2019, the XLR was already sold out through 2023. Not long ago, I think there was talk that there were no slots available before 2026 or 2027.
If these AC XLRs were originally slots allocated to QR, that could be how AC was able to start getting them fairly soon. Or they could have come from lessors who hadn't yet leased the planes to customers. Or it's possible some other airline has cancelled its order or deferred delivery. Or Airbus might have decided to accelerate production because it was worried about making room in the market for Boeing to launch the NMA/797/whatever.
- How many aircraft the airline needs
- How fast the has been aircraft selling
- How much the airline needs the aircraft, and when
- How much the airline wants to pay
- Whether the airline has a good relationship with the OEM
- Whether lessors have delivery positions that haven't already been committed
- Whether the airline has good relationships with said lessors
- What airline has run in to financial difficulty lately, or recently changed its strategy
- Whether the manufacturer can ramp up production
Back in 2019, the XLR was already sold out through 2023. Not long ago, I think there was talk that there were no slots available before 2026 or 2027.
If these AC XLRs were originally slots allocated to QR, that could be how AC was able to start getting them fairly soon. Or they could have come from lessors who hadn't yet leased the planes to customers. Or it's possible some other airline has cancelled its order or deferred delivery. Or Airbus might have decided to accelerate production because it was worried about making room in the market for Boeing to launch the NMA/797/whatever.
Mar 23, 2022, 1:26 pm
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