AC revises its alcohol and drug policy to include cannabis ahead of legalization
Sep 29, 2018, 4:21 am
#47
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Started on a thread on this topic in 2016. Some folks took exception.
LOL.
Official Air Canada Policy on Medical Marijuana
LOL.
Official Air Canada Policy on Medical Marijuana
Sep 29, 2018, 4:50 am
#48
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Interesting. Seems to open them up to a lawsuit; I assume AC tell their staff they can't drink for 8h or something before a flight (or is that just ATC), and can see them saying you're not allowed to use pot for some period of time before a flight... But if they're on some sort of vacation and want to use a legal substance way before their next flight... isn't that a breach of their rights?
Alcohol or Drugs — Crew Members
602.03 No person shall act as a crew member of an aircraft(a) within eight hours after consuming an alcoholic beverage;
- (b) while under the influence of alcohol; or
- (c) while using any drug that impairs the person’s faculties to the extent that the safety of the aircraft or of persons on board the aircraft is endangered in any way.
Sep 29, 2018, 8:27 am
#49
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I believe AC's alcohol policy is no alcohol 12 hours before duty starts.
A question about the under the influence part.
Would an alcoholic be considered under the influence 24/7?
As for marijuana, AC's concern may be random drug testing that some countries do.
A question about the under the influence part.
Would an alcoholic be considered under the influence 24/7?
As for marijuana, AC's concern may be random drug testing that some countries do.
Oct 1, 2018, 5:22 pm
#51
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https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/09/...ada-marijuana/
Air Canada said some of its employees will be banned from using marijuana both on- and off-duty despite recreational use becoming legal in Canada next month.
The company said it has revised its alcohol and drug policy to include cannabis ahead of legalization on Oct. 17.
“The safety of our customers and employees is our top priority,” spokeswoman Isabelle Arthur said in an email. “As a result, employees working in safety-critical areas at the company, including flight operations and aircraft maintenance, will be prohibited from using cannabis and cannabis products at all times, both on-duty and off-duty.
All employees are banned from using recreational pot while on-duty or in the workplace, she added.
Air Canada said some of its employees will be banned from using marijuana both on- and off-duty despite recreational use becoming legal in Canada next month.
The company said it has revised its alcohol and drug policy to include cannabis ahead of legalization on Oct. 17.
“The safety of our customers and employees is our top priority,” spokeswoman Isabelle Arthur said in an email. “As a result, employees working in safety-critical areas at the company, including flight operations and aircraft maintenance, will be prohibited from using cannabis and cannabis products at all times, both on-duty and off-duty.
All employees are banned from using recreational pot while on-duty or in the workplace, she added.
What about second hand smoke?
Whether at airports or hotels, it's inevitable that crews will walk by smoking areas where marijuana is being used.
And employees who smoke tobacco? They will be sharing smoking areas with marijuana users.
Oct 1, 2018, 5:52 pm
#52
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This is all new for Canada. I'm a Californian, where medical use has been legal for a quarter of a century and adult use became legal a couple of years back.
In California, there is really no need to transport cannabis on an airplane. If there's an airport to land at, there's a dispensary nearby. This is the result of a matured market. You'll have that soon enough, because the business is lucrative and barriers to entry compared to potential earnings are pretty low.
As to in-flight use, edibles consumed about an hour before boarding should have you relaxed within a hour of takeoff. If it's a longer flight, and you want to sleep, try caps. They take a less time to be effective, are stronger and last longer.
Rule 1 - do not make your flight the first time you try a particular dose of cannabis. Just don't. Figure that out at home before you travel.
Rule 2 - don't carry flowers on a plane. Especially, if you used some. You'll just get paranoid. No fun.
Btw, for those who don't partake, cannabis is generally a relaxant, not a stimulant. And edible cannabis particularly so. People who have eaten cannabis will primarily seem tired, even downright sleepy to you.
I think you'll find that people acting out, if they've used cannabis, have mixed it with alcohol. And no matter how unfamiliar you are with cannabis, we all know and have seen the effects of alcohol.
In California, there is really no need to transport cannabis on an airplane. If there's an airport to land at, there's a dispensary nearby. This is the result of a matured market. You'll have that soon enough, because the business is lucrative and barriers to entry compared to potential earnings are pretty low.
As to in-flight use, edibles consumed about an hour before boarding should have you relaxed within a hour of takeoff. If it's a longer flight, and you want to sleep, try caps. They take a less time to be effective, are stronger and last longer.
Rule 1 - do not make your flight the first time you try a particular dose of cannabis. Just don't. Figure that out at home before you travel.
Rule 2 - don't carry flowers on a plane. Especially, if you used some. You'll just get paranoid. No fun.
Btw, for those who don't partake, cannabis is generally a relaxant, not a stimulant. And edible cannabis particularly so. People who have eaten cannabis will primarily seem tired, even downright sleepy to you.
I think you'll find that people acting out, if they've used cannabis, have mixed it with alcohol. And no matter how unfamiliar you are with cannabis, we all know and have seen the effects of alcohol.
Oct 1, 2018, 6:00 pm
#53
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I can do one better.
In 2 months from now some faceless bureaucrat will sign a bill into law, and everyone will have untested laws in place with a few word changes but really not very dissimilar to what we have now in regards to intoxication. What will occur and be visible to the public the day after, is no different than what has been happening for decades.
We now return to our screening of "Reefer Madness".
In 2 months from now some faceless bureaucrat will sign a bill into law, and everyone will have untested laws in place with a few word changes but really not very dissimilar to what we have now in regards to intoxication. What will occur and be visible to the public the day after, is no different than what has been happening for decades.
We now return to our screening of "Reefer Madness".
Oct 1, 2018, 11:18 pm
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This is all new for Canada. I'm a Californian, where medical use has been legal for a quarter of a century and adult use became legal a couple of years back.
In California, there is really no need to transport cannabis on an airplane. If there's an airport to land at, there's a dispensary nearby. This is the result of a matured market. You'll have that soon enough, because the business is lucrative and barriers to entry compared to potential earnings are pretty low.
As to in-flight use, edibles consumed about an hour before boarding should have you relaxed within a hour of takeoff. If it's a longer flight, and you want to sleep, try caps. They take a less time to be effective, are stronger and last longer.
Rule 1 - do not make your flight the first time you try a particular dose of cannabis. Just don't. Figure that out at home before you travel.
Rule 2 - don't carry flowers on a plane. Especially, if you used some. You'll just get paranoid. No fun.
Btw, for those who don't partake, cannabis is generally a relaxant, not a stimulant. And edible cannabis particularly so. People who have eaten cannabis will primarily seem tired, even downright sleepy to you.
I think you'll find that people acting out, if they've used cannabis, have mixed it with alcohol. And no matter how unfamiliar you are with cannabis, we all know and have seen the effects of alcohol.
In California, there is really no need to transport cannabis on an airplane. If there's an airport to land at, there's a dispensary nearby. This is the result of a matured market. You'll have that soon enough, because the business is lucrative and barriers to entry compared to potential earnings are pretty low.
As to in-flight use, edibles consumed about an hour before boarding should have you relaxed within a hour of takeoff. If it's a longer flight, and you want to sleep, try caps. They take a less time to be effective, are stronger and last longer.
Rule 1 - do not make your flight the first time you try a particular dose of cannabis. Just don't. Figure that out at home before you travel.
Rule 2 - don't carry flowers on a plane. Especially, if you used some. You'll just get paranoid. No fun.
Btw, for those who don't partake, cannabis is generally a relaxant, not a stimulant. And edible cannabis particularly so. People who have eaten cannabis will primarily seem tired, even downright sleepy to you.
I think you'll find that people acting out, if they've used cannabis, have mixed it with alcohol. And no matter how unfamiliar you are with cannabis, we all know and have seen the effects of alcohol.
Oct 6, 2018, 9:52 am
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Do they load bags for people who haven't cleared customs yet? That seems neither a reasonable process, or given the timelines of aircraft movements, even possible, most of the time.
There may, however, be a lot of people that AC has to fly back home after they are denied entry. And they can well wait it out until there is an empty seat to do so.
There may, however, be a lot of people that AC has to fly back home after they are denied entry. And they can well wait it out until there is an empty seat to do so.
Oct 6, 2018, 12:05 pm
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In a perfect world checked bags would begin being removed WITHOUT waiting for final boarding to complete, the passengers checkin would be cancelled, and I would move up on the upgrade list
If US denies entry due to prohibited item or lying on a declaration form, I am sure AC has no legal obligation to fly the passenger back to their point of origin or refund any potion of the ticket.
The tricky part is what happens if the US CBP denies entry due to guilt-by-association. (Say someone owns, advocates on social media, or is employed by a business that is federally illegal in the US... cases like this have already made the news). AC may have customers who bought airline transportation in good faith that cannot travel.
Last edited by expert7700; Oct 6, 2018 at 12:30 pm
