Meltdown at Toronto last night (19Apr18) - looking for compensation
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I think the pricing model still is in favor of the hotels. But either way, AC has negotiated with specific hotels, not is just offering rooms anywhere. The food chits are for any airport restaurant. (which might be a lease requirement? Or maybe it actually means "any restaurant you can convince to take this").
Reading a $10 one I have in my bag "This voucher represents our contribution towards a meal....". Maybe AC (and all airlines) should "pay for a meal", but what they are doing is paying for (some of!) the difference between a meal outside an airport and a meal inside an airport. You have to eat anyway. They are compensating you for the delta of having to eat in an airport.
Reading a $10 one I have in my bag "This voucher represents our contribution towards a meal....". Maybe AC (and all airlines) should "pay for a meal", but what they are doing is paying for (some of!) the difference between a meal outside an airport and a meal inside an airport. You have to eat anyway. They are compensating you for the delta of having to eat in an airport.
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I think the pricing model still is in favor of the hotels. But either way, AC has negotiated with specific hotels, not is just offering rooms anywhere. The food chits are for any airport restaurant. (which might be a lease requirement? Or maybe it actually means "any restaurant you can convince to take this").
Reading a $10 one I have in my bag "This voucher represents our contribution towards a meal....". Maybe AC (and all airlines) should "pay for a meal", but what they are doing is paying for (some of!) the difference between a meal outside an airport and a meal inside an airport. You have to eat anyway. They are compensating you for the delta of having to eat in an airport.
Reading a $10 one I have in my bag "This voucher represents our contribution towards a meal....". Maybe AC (and all airlines) should "pay for a meal", but what they are doing is paying for (some of!) the difference between a meal outside an airport and a meal inside an airport. You have to eat anyway. They are compensating you for the delta of having to eat in an airport.
If I'm delayed 3 hours, I'm now going to be too tired to make food at home, so while I have to eat anyway, I didn't have to eat out until the flight was delayed.
That being said, status (and maybe cabin) plays a role in the size of your voucher. I didn't fully understand this until two SEs and a P25K suffered a mechanical delay, and I think we received 2x$25 and 1x$15 or something like that. We commented on it, and the agent very explicitly said "it's because you two are Super Elite". The no-status amount might have been $10. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this (though I'll take the $25, thanks), but they clearly have rules in place that dictate certain passengers are more deserving than others.
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I think the pricing model still is in favor of the hotels. But either way, AC has negotiated with specific hotels, not is just offering rooms anywhere. The food chits are for any airport restaurant. (which might be a lease requirement? Or maybe it actually means "any restaurant you can convince to take this").
Reading a $10 one I have in my bag "This voucher represents our contribution towards a meal....". Maybe AC (and all airlines) should "pay for a meal", but what they are doing is paying for (some of!) the difference between a meal outside an airport and a meal inside an airport. You have to eat anyway. They are compensating you for the delta of having to eat in an airport.
Reading a $10 one I have in my bag "This voucher represents our contribution towards a meal....". Maybe AC (and all airlines) should "pay for a meal", but what they are doing is paying for (some of!) the difference between a meal outside an airport and a meal inside an airport. You have to eat anyway. They are compensating you for the delta of having to eat in an airport.
I'd imagine making it a larger amount that actually covers the cost of an airport priced meal would go a longer way in customer service. As it happened, the money spent earned them more bad publicity on top of an already dodgy airline experience.
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That being said, status (and maybe cabin) plays a role in the size of your voucher. I didn't fully understand this until two SEs and a P25K suffered a mechanical delay, and I think we received 2x$25 and 1x$15 or something like that. We commented on it, and the agent very explicitly said "it's because you two are Super Elite". The no-status amount might have been $10. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this (though I'll take the $25, thanks), but they clearly have rules in place that dictate certain passengers are more deserving than others.
On a side note, the title of this article completely summarizes the 2017-2018 season for the Leafs (in particular the last game vs Boston). Go Jets Go!
Safe Travels,
James
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I would argue AC pays what they think their customers would normally spend for a meal.
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And then there's the opinion that airlines shouldn't have to contribute towards a meal at all. They are a mode of travel, not a catering service. It's nice they feed us onboard - particularly necessary on a long haul flight - but I never understand the expectation of receiving a hot breakfast in J when flying YVR-YYC, or YYZ-YUL; nor do I understand why passengers render themselves so helpless during IROPS that they starve if not handed a meal voucher.
It shouldn't matter in which airport (and in which currency) you find yourselves - when you travel, leave home armed with the means to obtain the necessities and/or comforts of daily life. Always consider the possibility of a disruption in your plans.
It's certainly appreciated when handed a voucher during a delay. If there are no decent or reasonable dining options available within the terminal, that's the fault of the airport, not the airline tenant. If you failed to bring along a contingency protein bar or similar snack for those stranded-overnight scenarios, well...
It shouldn't matter in which airport (and in which currency) you find yourselves - when you travel, leave home armed with the means to obtain the necessities and/or comforts of daily life. Always consider the possibility of a disruption in your plans.
It's certainly appreciated when handed a voucher during a delay. If there are no decent or reasonable dining options available within the terminal, that's the fault of the airport, not the airline tenant. If you failed to bring along a contingency protein bar or similar snack for those stranded-overnight scenarios, well...
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And then there's the opinion that airlines shouldn't have to contribute towards a meal at all. They are a mode of travel, not a catering service. It's nice they feed us onboard - particularly necessary on a long haul flight - but I never understand the expectation of receiving a hot breakfast in J when flying YVR-YYC, or YYZ-YUL; nor do I understand why passengers render themselves so helpless during IROPS that they starve if not handed a meal voucher.
It shouldn't matter in which airport (and in which currency) you find yourselves - when you travel, leave home armed with the means to obtain the necessities and/or comforts of daily life. Always consider the possibility of a disruption in your plans.
It's certainly appreciated when handed a voucher during a delay. If there are no decent or reasonable dining options available within the terminal, that's the fault of the airport, not the airline tenant. If you failed to bring along a contingency protein bar or similar snack for those stranded-overnight scenarios, well...
It shouldn't matter in which airport (and in which currency) you find yourselves - when you travel, leave home armed with the means to obtain the necessities and/or comforts of daily life. Always consider the possibility of a disruption in your plans.
It's certainly appreciated when handed a voucher during a delay. If there are no decent or reasonable dining options available within the terminal, that's the fault of the airport, not the airline tenant. If you failed to bring along a contingency protein bar or similar snack for those stranded-overnight scenarios, well...
While it's good to take along a snack, just be prepared to declare/lose/drop it before going through customs
Of course, $10 isn't that bad when you consider what AC probably spends on the food... Certainly in Y.
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AC seems to be very inconsistent with this. As a UA Gold (and hence *A Gold) I was appalled that all they would give me was a $10 voucher. When I had an IRROPs on UA they gave me 3 $20 USD meal vouchers. I would have been more grumpy if I didn't have lounge access due to my status (and could thus carb load on food and beer while I waited). That being said I did get an OPUP to J due to a full cabin (and likely due to my *A status).
Airlines treat their own elites better than partner elites.
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Naturally, why would you expect anything else?
AC however is very generous on handing out compensation for the deflating J seats. I am pretty sure they are charging back the manufacturer, perhaps AC learned its lesson after the crap IFE system they bought years ago.
AC however is very generous on handing out compensation for the deflating J seats. I am pretty sure they are charging back the manufacturer, perhaps AC learned its lesson after the crap IFE system they bought years ago.
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I think the pricing model still is in favor of the hotels. But either way, AC has negotiated with specific hotels, not is just offering rooms anywhere. The food chits are for any airport restaurant. (which might be a lease requirement? Or maybe it actually means "any restaurant you can convince to take this").
Reading a $10 one I have in my bag "This voucher represents our contribution towards a meal....". Maybe AC (and all airlines) should "pay for a meal", but what they are doing is paying for (some of!) the difference between a meal outside an airport and a meal inside an airport. You have to eat anyway. They are compensating you for the delta of having to eat in an airport.
Reading a $10 one I have in my bag "This voucher represents our contribution towards a meal....". Maybe AC (and all airlines) should "pay for a meal", but what they are doing is paying for (some of!) the difference between a meal outside an airport and a meal inside an airport. You have to eat anyway. They are compensating you for the delta of having to eat in an airport.
In the case of the meal voucher, it should clearly be more. I think the thing is you need a vendor willing to do through the process of collecting it and them submitting the voucher back to AC and waiting to get paid.