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Old Jan 26, 2019, 9:46 am
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Originally Posted by jasdou
I know of a few cases of eUpped passengers (on originally issued Flex fares) having been rebooked because of IRROPS ended up sitting in the SS. Actually - getting escorted to the SS by the concierge, after a BMW ride. So it does happen.
I think they have fixed that bug now.

You used to get rebooked into full Y/J on an IRROPS issue but now the system rebooks in your original fare class.

Case in point, I was supposed to fly YYZ-ATL Wednesday night, got re-routed to BNA. Everything posted in my origional fare class where in the past it would book as Latitude.
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by 5mm
There were way less pax issues then and I didn’t find it confusing.
And yet, plenty of experienced travellers clutching boarding asses for seats in the front cabin remain uncertain about Signature Suite access policies.
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Last edited by CZAMFlyer; Jan 26, 2019 at 5:35 pm Reason: That's supposed to say 'boarding passes', but I liked it so much, I won't edit it.
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer
And yet, plenty of experienced travellers clutching boarding asses for seats in the front cabin remain uncertain about Signature Suite access policies.
Maybe because they don’t read the rules or have entitlement issues or don’t like the fact they can’t game this issue?
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by lcohen999
I think they have fixed that bug now.

You used to get rebooked into full Y/J on an IRROPS issue but now the system rebooks in your original fare class.

Case in point, I was supposed to fly YYZ-ATL Wednesday night, got re-routed to BNA. Everything posted in my origional fare class where in the past it would book as Latitude.
It wasn't necessarily a bug. What AC publishes as the rules the public should expect and what AC allows their people to do are obviously different things.

A concierge could well be allowed, entitled, and encouraged to put SE status IRROPS PAX in the SSL to spread the love in controllable and even uncontrollable situations.

In a bean-counting head to head COGS situation, some SE on a, say, 5 hour delay would already have MLL access and be handed $25 in coupons. How much more does dumping them in SSL cost? How much less?
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by RangerNS
It wasn't necessarily a bug. What AC publishes as the rules the public should expect and what AC allows their people to do are obviously different things.

A concierge could well be allowed, entitled, and encouraged to put SE status IRROPS PAX in the SSL to spread the love in controllable and even uncontrollable situations.

In a bean-counting head to head COGS situation, some SE on a, say, 5 hour delay would already have MLL access and be handed $25 in coupons. How much more does dumping them in SSL cost? How much less?
I am not arguing that, however in the example provided, when the IRROP happened, they just rebooked everyone currently in J back into J at J category, rather than in R. Which is why that person received SS access. That probably will not happen as often anymore.


Side Tangent. This whole thing is so easily fixed if you simply do what Singapore Airlines does

On their BPs, it says

"You are invited to use the XXXXX Lounge"

They currently do it in the APP but it should be printed on the BP
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by lcohen999
"You are invited to use the XXXXX Lounge"
People would ignore the XXXX part and just see "Lounge". I was surprised I was denied access to a UA Polaris lounge once, early on, and as recently as September, surprised that LH had multiple levels of lounges at IAD. I write that intentionally, the fancier lounge that I did not get into, I've already forgotten its name.

I wasn't mad, did not argue, and the rules could be perfectly clear. But I was confused. And I'm sure I'll be confused again on some similar point in the future.
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 12:34 pm
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Originally Posted by lcohen999
I am not arguing that, however in the example provided, when the IRROP happened, they just rebooked everyone currently in J back into J at J category, rather than in R. Which is why that person received SS access. That probably will not happen as often anymore.


Side Tangent. This whole thing is so easily fixed if you simply do what Singapore Airlines does

On their BPs, it says

"You are invited to use the XXXXX Lounge"

They currently do it in the APP but it should be printed on the BP
On SQ, that message is based on cabin. It would necessarily have to be more complicated on AC.

And it's not easy to modify what gets printed on BPs. I seem to recall Ben sharing the cost here a few years ago.
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 2:07 pm
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Originally Posted by lcohen999
I think they have fixed that bug now.

You used to get rebooked into full Y/J on an IRROPS issue but now the system rebooks in your original fare class.
This is true, as you stated "the system rebooks".

Case in point, I was supposed to fly YYZ-ATL Wednesday night, got re-routed to BNA. Everything posted in my origional fare class where in the past it would book as Latitude.
How were you rebooked? If this was a reroute, I would imagine it wasn't automated by the system. I've only seen this done manually up this point.
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 3:01 pm
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If opened in YUL, I will be sure to visit the Signature Suite without ultimately ending up paying for international J
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 5:38 pm
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Originally Posted by 5mm


Maybe because they don’t read the rules or have entitlement issues or don’t like the fact they can’t game this issue?
Some folks, sure, if we want to adopt a cynical view. But most simply misinterpret the labyrinth of fare rules.
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 9:32 pm
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Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer
Some folks, sure, if we want to adopt a cynical view. But most simply misinterpret the labyrinth of fare rules.
Don't underestimate people's capacity of "innocently" misinterpret. Especially if FT residents...
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 9:46 pm
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And don’t forget those people who turn up to the MLL to be told hey did you know you qualify for this other better lounge?

The whole purpose behind the existing and new YVR lounge is to entice people to buy AC J over other classes and other airlines (fixing pancake seats might be a better ROI but I digress); but some people aren’t even aware of what their paid ticket gives them.
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Old Jan 26, 2019, 11:25 pm
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When Mr. bovine and I flew YYZ-TLV, we stopped by the MLL first, as he'd never seen it.

We checked in with different agents.

He was told he had access to the SS. I was not. But as I walked away, one agent told the one I'd checked in with that they should have informed me.

But didn't see fit to chase me down and let me know.

So they don't always inform you, but it seems like they're really supposed to.
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Old Jan 27, 2019, 1:01 am
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Haha,A
Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer
And yet, plenty of experienced travellers clutching boarding asses for seats in the front cabin remain uncertain about Signature Suite access policies.

The phrase “live and learn” comes to mind.

However haha , can you tell me more about boarding asses? Must be quite a scene when you try to scan them at the counter.
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Old Jan 27, 2019, 2:16 am
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
Are there any other airlines that would let you buy an upgrade to J but not let you in the lounge that "paid J" would have access to?
QR and EK immediately come to mind. Possibly EY too.
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