AC Signature Suite concept being rolled out to other Canadian airports beyond YYZ?
Jan 24, 2019, 3:29 pm
#46
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I'm an SE, and I feel entitled on my trips to Mexico. I know I'm not. I've read the rules, and my feelings did not change. I, personally, as a passenger, have zero confusion as to the rule; there is no situation I can envision I will ever be in the SSL under the current rules.
Jan 24, 2019, 3:34 pm
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@canadiancow respectfully, you bought a mistakenly released R fare from what I could gather, and R is specifically listed as exempt. I know you bought it realizing you likely wouldn’t have access so you won’t be bent of shape.
Fair points you’ve made about upfaring not getting access. I wouldn’t have thought of it and would likely be surprised when denied access.
You know infinitely more than I so I defer to you for an example when a customer who bought a Y or PY ticket then eUpped would feel entitled, assuming they had read the rules.
Fair points you’ve made about upfaring not getting access. I wouldn’t have thought of it and would likely be surprised when denied access.
You know infinitely more than I so I defer to you for an example when a customer who bought a Y or PY ticket then eUpped would feel entitled, assuming they had read the rules.
But my point was more that the access requirements were described as being due to space constraints. If YVR does not have the same space constraints, there's a chance they could change. But I accept that having different requirements in different airports would be confusing.
Jan 24, 2019, 3:40 pm
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Not eUpgrades, but bid or LMU. Passengers don't know what JCDZPIR mean. If I'm a regular person, buy a Y ticket, then spend $1500 on a LMU, you're going to have a REALLY tough time telling me I'm not "paid business class".
But my point was more that the access requirements were described as being due to space constraints. If YVR does not have the same space constraints, there's a chance they could change. But I accept that having different requirements in different airports would be confusing.
But my point was more that the access requirements were described as being due to space constraints. If YVR does not have the same space constraints, there's a chance they could change. But I accept that having different requirements in different airports would be confusing.
Jan 24, 2019, 4:20 pm
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Everything is R via eUp.
For Lat NA, it is based on Z>0 or R>0 and comes out of R regardless of R.
For Lat Int'l it is based on P>0 or R>0 and comes out of R regardless of R.
(but yeah, I get your gist
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Jan 24, 2019, 5:15 pm
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I'll make this distinction, not to be pedantic, but for clarity especially when it comes to eUpping and the rules that go with it. I've made similar statements until I was corrected (and I'm thankful for the corrections from the members here).
Everything is R via eUp.
For Lat NA, it is based on Z>0 or R>0 and comes out of R regardless of R.
For Lat Int'l it is based on P>0 or R>0 and comes out of R regardless of R.
(but yeah, I get your gist )
Everything is R via eUp.
For Lat NA, it is based on Z>0 or R>0 and comes out of R regardless of R.
For Lat Int'l it is based on P>0 or R>0 and comes out of R regardless of R.
(but yeah, I get your gist
)
Jan 24, 2019, 9:11 pm
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What does LMU stand for? Last min upgrades, one would think is a easy term to understand that you didn’t pay business class fare, but upgraded a Y or PY fare.. If you don’t get J points, why would one think they bought a J fare ticket?
Jan 24, 2019, 9:35 pm
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Especially given the empirical fact that peole do (apparently) turn up expecting to get in.
Jan 24, 2019, 10:58 pm
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What confusion? Ad states MLL not SS. A lot of airlines have different lounges, why can’t Canadian’s figure this out.
Jan 25, 2019, 1:19 am
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Jan 25, 2019, 5:14 am
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Jan 25, 2019, 7:45 am
#57
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I know of a few cases of eUpped passengers (on originally issued Flex fares) having been rebooked because of IRROPS ended up sitting in the SS. Actually - getting escorted to the SS by the concierge, after a BMW ride. So it does happen.
Jan 25, 2019, 10:27 am
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I recall seeing this in the other SS thread
Jan 25, 2019, 4:39 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
But my point was more that the access requirements were described as being due to space constraints. If YVR does not have the same space constraints, there's a chance they could change.
Speaking of access...YVR is very committed to universal-access space within its buildings. Are there elevators that lead to that upper floor*, or just a switchback staircase? I believe tenant lease agreements include universal access requirements, and any addition/remodeling of a distinct SS could be interpreted as a separate lounge to the existing MLL.
There is an elevator that rises to the 4th-level floor (located just outside MLL lounge entrance), but it leads to a very long, drab plaster corridor before ending at the wall that borders the suggested SS area...not the sort of signature experience a Skytrax 4-star airline might hope for.
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Jan 26, 2019, 9:16 am
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Put yourself in the shoes of an earlier, pre-FlyerTalk you. I bet if you're honest, you'll be able to see that the fare and access rules are filled with arcane gotchas that entrap even seasoned flyers. I'm not sure why you seem to feel that it's a Canadian issue; there are plenty of cases of frequent flyers expressing surprise at being turned away from a UA Polaris lounge, a LH Senator v Business lounge, or any number of F v J class lounges globally.
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