Airbus A220 (ex CSeries) Master Thread
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I would love to see more of these. YHZ-BRU, YHZ-CDG, YHZ-AMS would also be great. The trouble is that AC would probably price them higher than connecting through YYZ/YUL. Limited competition means paying for the privilege of a direct flight. Years ago KLM used to fly AMS-YHZ and then on to YYZ.
I don't think Boeing's case is that they argue Bombardier can not launch CS500; they are arguing the current CS100/300 program was unfairly subsidized which has hurt Boeing's sales.
So "unfairly" and "subsidized" are the two attacking works. They need to establish these practices in front of the trade disputes government agencies whose job is to protect national companies.
So "unfairly" and "subsidized" are the two attacking works. They need to establish these practices in front of the trade disputes government agencies whose job is to protect national companies.
DL has said that it wanted 100-110 seat planes. Boeing doesn't make those. If DL is successful in getting the scope redefined in that way, it's game over for the Boeing case, regardless of subsidies.
Of course, if DL converts any of its order to CS3, as it has some options to do, then Boeing may re-file and they will have to fight more on the substance of the subsidies and injury to Boeing.
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It's not just a matter of subsidies or fairness. Boeing also needs to prove that it was harmed. DL has made the claim, which BBD has indicated it agrees with, that UA doesn't make a product that competes with the CS1. Boeing has attempted to define the market as 100-150 seats, which brings the 737 into competition with the CS1.
DL has said that it wanted 100-110 seat planes. Boeing doesn't make those. If DL is successful in getting the scope redefined in that way, it's game over for the Boeing case, regardless of subsidies.
Of course, if DL converts any of its order to CS3, as it has some options to do, then Boeing may re-file and they will have to fight more on the substance of the subsidies and injury to Boeing.
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If DL gets this first complaint dismissed because it says UA doesn't build aircraft that would have fulfilled its needs (100-110 seats), that argument won't necessarily hold water if the CS3 seats 135 and the 73G seats 140 or something along those lines.
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It's C Series, not C Series series.
It'll be quite a while before a CS500 is launched. The fuselage will be quite long and tail strikes will be a real issue. That said, no OEM seems better at stretching a platform than BBD.
Boeing has no platform currently in production that competes with the CS100.
The 737-700 is in line with the CS300, but the dearth of -700 orders seems to indicate that operators just don't seem to want that aircraft.
I had no idea that UA was an aircraft OEM.
The BCS3 seats between 130 in a typical two-class J/Y configuration, 150 in a typical Y configuration up to 160 in a high density Y configuration.
The 737-700 is in line with the CS300, but the dearth of -700 orders seems to indicate that operators just don't seem to want that aircraft.
I believe the CS300's seating capacity is pretty close to the 737-700's.
If DL gets this first complaint dismissed because it says UA doesn't build aircraft that would have fulfilled its needs (100-110 seats), that argument won't necessarily hold water if the CS3 seats 135 and the 73G seats 140 or something along those lines.
If DL gets this first complaint dismissed because it says UA doesn't build aircraft that would have fulfilled its needs (100-110 seats), that argument won't necessarily hold water if the CS3 seats 135 and the 73G seats 140 or something along those lines.
The BCS3 seats between 130 in a typical two-class J/Y configuration, 150 in a typical Y configuration up to 160 in a high density Y configuration.
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As for whether Boeing has anything that competes with the CS1, that depends on whether one accepts Boeing's definition of the relevant market as 100-150 seat planes or DL's response that it's 100-110.
We FTers may think that DL/BBD have a clear case here, but Boeing will undoubtedly find some "experts" with impressive-sounding credentials to support its case. Also, wasn't it not too long ago that Boeing and Bombardier were competing for orders at UA and the 73G prevailed due to massive discounting? Boeing will surely bring that up.
Let's also not forget that business logic and facts don't always matter in this type of dispute. After all, numerous independent panels have determined that Canadian softwood lumber is not unfairly subsidized, yet US lumber producers continue to find ways to get government officials to rule in their favour.
I'm not saying that I can predict the outcome, and if I were to bet on one side or the other, it would probably be BBD/DL, but it's not a sure thing.
I had no idea that UA was an aircraft OEM.
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Of the 3 routes I suggested, YHZ-AMS might be most viable as a summer option. Canada 3000 used to run a much larger bird on the route. It was either a 757 or a A332, I don't recall. I also don't recall the frequency. KLM did it as a stop on the way to YOW or YYZ using a widebody (742/DC10/767 at different times).
YHZ already has flights to KEF, LHR, GLA, FRA, MUC, and DUB-CDG on various airlines.
The wish for east coasters is that a 110-130 seat plane that is cheap to run TATL would make more direct flights to western Europe viable. My wish is that they'd be viable on airlines that have acceptable seat pitch in Y (ie not Condor/ASL)
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This is one of Trump's key NAFTA renegotiation demands - no more neutral panels to decide trade case.
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This is one of Trump's key NAFTA renegotiation demands - no more neutral panels to decide trade case.
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Nice photo essay of the C-Series (Delta focus)...
http://www.businessinsider.com/delta...uter-inputs-29
http://www.businessinsider.com/delta...uter-inputs-29
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Nice photo essay of the C-Series (Delta focus)...
http://www.businessinsider.com/delta...uter-inputs-29
http://www.businessinsider.com/delta...uter-inputs-29
I'm looking forward to the extra seat width and the quieter cabin. Hopefully AC will deploy these with increased frequency between YYC-YVR (though I suspect we'll be getting the 737 on this route).
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United potentially back in the game.
United revisiting the 100 seats niche. After having switched the 737s it had ordered for that size last time to bigger models:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-aircr-440455/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-aircr-440455/
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