TATL E U/G plus $500
Apr 15, 2014, 6:45 pm
#61
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Apr 15, 2014, 6:46 pm
#62
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I'm in this exact same boat as Jarusoba.
Apr 15, 2014, 7:24 pm
#63
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He bought a flex instead of Tango in order to upgrade based upon what the program was when he entered into a contract with AC. Then after they entered into a contract, AC unilaterally changed the terms.
Which is violation of contract law, hence should be found null and void in court.
The OP should be offered an upgrade with no co-pay. Of course if AC wanted to offer a full refund and he agreed, that would be OK too.
Ditto for all people who purchased a flex fare before the co-pay was announced. If I were one of them I would agitate for a class action suit.
Which is violation of contract law, hence should be found null and void in court.
The OP should be offered an upgrade with no co-pay. Of course if AC wanted to offer a full refund and he agreed, that would be OK too.
Ditto for all people who purchased a flex fare before the co-pay was announced. If I were one of them I would agitate for a class action suit.
Apr 15, 2014, 7:27 pm
#64
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lol, good catch! was supposed to be half a dozen. And no, Aer Lingus is not in the top half.
As for Asia AND Europe - jarusoba only buys J fares - so why should he care about flying one airline, he just doesnt want to connect via the USA, no?
EVA to Asia, LOT or OS to Europe, all 3 superior to AC, and he still gets his precious AE miles!
And, obviously, its the OP's fault for buying a ticket at flex (at a substantial premium to lowest-cost fare) and expecting to upgrade at the program conditions when he bought the ticket. Silly OP, he thought that AC would not change the rules on him.
As for Asia AND Europe - jarusoba only buys J fares - so why should he care about flying one airline, he just doesnt want to connect via the USA, no?
EVA to Asia, LOT or OS to Europe, all 3 superior to AC, and he still gets his precious AE miles!
And, obviously, its the OP's fault for buying a ticket at flex (at a substantial premium to lowest-cost fare) and expecting to upgrade at the program conditions when he bought the ticket. Silly OP, he thought that AC would not change the rules on him.
Apr 15, 2014, 7:38 pm
#65
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Your looking at it the wrong way. Flex terms and conditions do NOT say that it is eligible for an upgrade. The upgrade terms and conditions state you need a minimum of flex fare. AC did NOT change the terms of carriage, they changed benefits of a FF program - which they are entitled to do.
Apr 15, 2014, 7:42 pm
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That very well is the case and I am in no way defending AC, I just don't think that there is an entitlement to a refund. But where does one draw the line? The OP bought a ticket in 2013 for use in 2014... The T&C are never indefinite, so i guess there should be some guidelines for timelines to announce changes.
Apr 15, 2014, 7:42 pm
#67
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Finally, frequent flyer program T&C are not part of the ticket...
Apr 15, 2014, 8:14 pm
#69
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Where did I suggest that they are?
I'm saying OP bought a ticket which allowed for a potential upgrade using e-upgrade credits. AC later decided that a co-pay would be required in addition to the e-upgrade credits. That's a bait and switch by any definition. "Buy this because you'll be able to do that." Then, "oh, sorry, we've changed our minds. Tough luck."
I'm saying OP bought a ticket which allowed for a potential upgrade using e-upgrade credits. AC later decided that a co-pay would be required in addition to the e-upgrade credits. That's a bait and switch by any definition. "Buy this because you'll be able to do that." Then, "oh, sorry, we've changed our minds. Tough luck."
Apr 15, 2014, 9:36 pm
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Your looking at it the wrong way. Flex terms and conditions do NOT say that it is eligible for an upgrade. The upgrade terms and conditions state you need a minimum of flex fare. AC did NOT change the terms of carriage, they changed benefits of a FF program - which they are entitled to do.
Whether the conditions that come in a part of the FF program are an inherent part of the contract. I say they are. Surely the purchaser takes these into account when making the purchase. Which would be a reasonable indicator that they are part of the contract.
That the airlines BS claims differently does not necessarily make it true. Of course they'll try.
What is true is that going to the CTA will take you nowhere. Courts are a different story.
Apr 16, 2014, 2:09 am
#72
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Like many, I am not too impressed with the new $500 per leg requirement for TATL flights on AC hardware for 50Ks. I'm just not following their logic.
I'm pricing out some of my European flights for the year and if I book a Econ Flex fare, and if I'm lucky get upgraded, the cost of the flight is around $2500-3000 (including the $1000 screw you fee). In pricing out a discounted J fares on Lufthansa, Swiss Air, and United I can guarantee a business seat AND get 150% points for around $3000. This is a case for a flight I'm looking at to Spain and Amsterdam.
So, AC is going to lose $6K+ of business from me it appears all because they are too damn greedy and don't seem to value those that support them the most. I'm probably preaching to the choir, but I just don't get it.
I'm pricing out some of my European flights for the year and if I book a Econ Flex fare, and if I'm lucky get upgraded, the cost of the flight is around $2500-3000 (including the $1000 screw you fee). In pricing out a discounted J fares on Lufthansa, Swiss Air, and United I can guarantee a business seat AND get 150% points for around $3000. This is a case for a flight I'm looking at to Spain and Amsterdam.
So, AC is going to lose $6K+ of business from me it appears all because they are too damn greedy and don't seem to value those that support them the most. I'm probably preaching to the choir, but I just don't get it.
Apr 16, 2014, 2:17 am
#73
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[QUOTE=jarusoba;22710173
This SE has no loyalty to AC. But this SE also wants to fly non-stop or direct flights in J or F to Europe and Asia...
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+1 with my own twist:
... with the cabin offering I want- private, direct aisle access. and should this change, then my value equation changes and therefore so will $$ flow.
This SE has no loyalty to AC. But this SE also wants to fly non-stop or direct flights in J or F to Europe and Asia...
[/QUOTE]
+1 with my own twist:
... with the cabin offering I want- private, direct aisle access. and should this change, then my value equation changes and therefore so will $$ flow.
Apr 16, 2014, 5:11 am
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E50s and others: We know we are being screwed, and have looked at alternatives
Handful of SEs: AC has the right to screw you, we still love AC.