Originally Posted by rankourabu

The world is full of illogical behaviour

Originally Posted by Lllahim

It is not surprising that all the posters who support AC in this thread are SE. When SEMM compares shopping for lower J fares to driving a full tank of gas to save 50c, I just wonder. SE has first choice everywhere yet some of them act as if a benefit to others is a loss by SE. They don't co-pay (yet). They defend their privilege with phrases like: business decision, this is how business works, choice, AC is in business to make money, more room for me, .... I see myself as a consumer out there to defend my interest. I also see the majority of us here as consumers. I am not oblivious to all the arguments about business but it is not my place to defend airline decisions that impact adversely on FF. AC has well paid professionals to do it for them. Now that practically all meaningful benefits have been stripped from the mid-tier, any more money from AC's golden egg Loyalty Program will have to come SE. Then watch them whine!

Originally Posted by jarusoba

Sure. It's natural.

This SE has no loyalty to AC. But this SE also wants to fly non-stop or direct flights in J or F to Europe and Asia without transiting via the US. So far, only AC fits the bill.

If AC cuts SE benefits, I would still be SE, until there is another airline that can do non-stop or direct flights to Europe and Asia without transiting via the US. This is even true even if there were no possibility of upgrade and everybody had to pay for J.

Originally Posted by jarusoba

But this SE also wants to fly non-stop or direct flights in J or F to Europe and Asia without transiting via the US. So far, only AC fits the bill.

Originally Posted by Dorian

Blah blah. Obviously it is for the summer.

Simply illustrating that it is particular to summer J fares....and in this case might be particular to DL fares for the Pacific Northwest. I don't follow DL close enough...but I recall they were putting on a heavy PNW push.

Originally Posted by rankourabu

And about a dozen other airlines.....

How are those AC non-stop F flights btw?

Originally Posted by jarusoba

Which airlines? I'm talking airlines, not alliances.

AC doesn't have F. I hope you know. I was saying I want to fly J or F. And AC doesn't have F, I can only fly AC J.

Originally Posted by Lllahim

Yes, you don't follow DL close enough. Then you follow with your expert lecture on DL fares and fares everywhere, seasonal and otherwise. Gee, I didn't know AC has the same fare all year round. Those of us who write about sudden jumps in Flex fares and fare-increase induced realignment of fare classes are just uninformed.

Originally Posted by rankourabu

Lets see, all nonstops to Europe from YYZ - I count at least 11 airlines, at least of which a dozen have superior service and even a superior seat to AC (will not count Transat or the other charters)
Aer Lingus,Aeroflot,Air France,Alitalia,BA,Finnair,KLM,LOT,Lufthansa,Jet,T urkish

Asian airlines in YYZ
China Eastern,Cathay,EVA,Korean,Hainan,PR

On top of that you got airlines that blow AC right out of the water like EK and EY.

We have plenty of choice for longhaul nonstops without having to go thru the USA, mediocrity of AC is not the only game in town. I am actually quite surprised that a self-proclaimed "I only fly J" person accepts mediocrity as standard.

Originally Posted by rankourabu

/snip/

Not to mention, the OP bought a ticket with the purpose of upgrading before AC changed it on him, and is now asking for $1000 more, which was not the case at the time of purchase.

Originally Posted by Dorian

This is what Jarusoba wrote:



Now, tell me which of your airlines fits that profile?

Originally Posted by rankourabu

Lets see, all nonstops to Europe from YYZ - I count at least 11 airlines, at least of which a dozen have superior service and even a superior seat to AC (will not count Transat or the other charters)
Aer Lingus,Aeroflot,Air France,Alitalia,BA,Finnair,KLM,LOT,Lufthansa,Jet,T urkish

Asian airlines in YYZ
China Eastern,Cathay,EVA,Korean,Hainan,PR

On top of that you got airlines that blow AC right out of the water like EK and EY.

We have plenty of choice for longhaul nonstops without having to go thru the USA, mediocrity of AC is not the only game in town. I am actually quite surprised that a self-proclaimed "I only fly J" person accepts mediocrity as standard.

Originally Posted by zorn

Probably one of those dozen out of the eleven that blows AC out of the water in every way possible.

Originally Posted by rankourabu

lol, good catch! was supposed to be half a dozen. And no, Aer Lingus is not in the top half.

As for Asia AND Europe - jarusoba only buys J fares - so why should he care about flying one airline, he just doesnt want to connect via the USA, no?
EVA to Asia, LOT or OS to Europe, all 3 superior to AC, and he still gets his precious AE miles!


And, obviously, its the OP's fault for buying a ticket at flex (at a substantial premium to lowest-cost fare) and expecting to upgrade at the program conditions when he bought the ticket. Silly OP, he thought that AC would not change the rules on him.

Originally Posted by danapop

Wrong. If the OP want to upgrade he/she could have bought J or even Y and upgraded at time of booking. You can't seriously be suggesting that all flex fares be eligable for a refund can you? They didn't change how flex fares operate. The OP purchased the ticket based on 2013 altitude program details for 2014 without knowing the program specifics.