Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Apr 13, 2018, 1:43 pm
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Apr 13, 2018, 1:59 pm
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This week on '604 my omelette was cold enough I had to send it back. Last week I remember now it was pretty cold too, but not enough to complain... the ovens seem to be wonky.
Apr 13, 2018, 3:13 pm
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SD was commenting/complaining (?) that the oven is slow. End result however: food is not as overheated as in other planes apparently. For once fish was edible.
Apr 13, 2018, 5:33 pm
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Still waiting patiently for someone who has travelled in row 20 to give their 2c on the legroom etc.
Since we are going YYC-OGG in December and will pay the $60 per seat per direction, I'm curious
to know what we're in for.
Since we are going YYC-OGG in December and will pay the $60 per seat per direction, I'm curious
to know what we're in for.
Apr 14, 2018, 1:23 pm
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It gets worse: when you are moved to a non-preferred seat, your preferred seat fee is refunded. Now, suppose you put yourself back in a preferred seat and pay again. If, God forbid, you were to again be moved to a non-preferred seat, your fee would no longer refunded automatically, because AC's systems cannot distinguish between the first and the second time you were bumped from a preferred seat. When this happened to me, it took six months and direct intervention from Ben L. to fix it (as apparently refund services also has a hard time understanding that you can be bumped from a preferred seat twice).
Apr 14, 2018, 2:45 pm
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Row 20 is great. Plenty of legroom, most likely most of any seat on the plane, except row 19. Although row 20 has full recline unlike row 19.
Apr 14, 2018, 2:59 pm
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The issue is not "not getting the same seat" - most people would understand that an exact mapping is not possible, especially if two flights have been merged. The gripe is with moving people who paid for a preferred seat to a non-preferred one when preferred seats are available. What would it take to fix it, two lines of code? It's just one more instance of IT incompetence in full display.
It gets worse: when you are moved to a non-preferred seat, your preferred seat fee is refunded. Now, suppose you put yourself back in a preferred seat and pay again. If, God forbid, you were to again be moved to a non-preferred seat, your fee would no longer refunded automatically, because AC's systems cannot distinguish between the first and the second time you were bumped from a preferred seat. When this happened to me, it took six months and direct intervention from Ben L. to fix it (as apparently refund services also has a hard time understanding that you can be bumped from a preferred seat twice).
It gets worse: when you are moved to a non-preferred seat, your preferred seat fee is refunded. Now, suppose you put yourself back in a preferred seat and pay again. If, God forbid, you were to again be moved to a non-preferred seat, your fee would no longer refunded automatically, because AC's systems cannot distinguish between the first and the second time you were bumped from a preferred seat. When this happened to me, it took six months and direct intervention from Ben L. to fix it (as apparently refund services also has a hard time understanding that you can be bumped from a preferred seat twice).
and this is system-wide as well, which I agree does suck big time.
Apr 15, 2018, 6:45 am
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Back to my complaint. NO NOTICE of the swap. Then I can go myself and get another preferred seat.
I now have EF alerts for any flights in/out of YYC and YHZ. These are the two places the beast shows up most right now.
I now have EF alerts for any flights in/out of YYC and YHZ. These are the two places the beast shows up most right now.
Last edited by Cozmo456; Apr 15, 2018 at 11:04 am
Apr 15, 2018, 2:12 pm
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Yep, another IT fail. If there is an equipment change but the flight number, departure, and arrival times do not change, you are not notified. And sometimes you are not notified even when they change.
Apr 15, 2018, 5:32 pm
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I understand your conundrum, especially as your most obvious alternative airline on YYC-YYZ offers much the same product. In case where you fly outside Canada, and a competitor exists, then taking your premium business to that different airline will surely send a message to AC corporate HQ. We may be past the point of altering the fact that the 7M8 is here to stay, but maybe AC can eventually see the benefits of an interior rejig to reduce the number of complaints? And perhaps once that happens, you'll be able to glance outside the window at FL350 and see pigs aloft.
The issues with the layout of the galleys could potentially be solved. An AC staffer mentioned to me that discussion of a reconfiguration is already under way. But how long that will take, or how much it might cost, I have no clue.
Others like the seat materials and getting rid of the stupid footrests could definitely be done.
Whether AC will choose to do any of those things, however, is beyond my knowledge.
Apr 15, 2018, 6:13 pm
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I'll just re-post this bit that I wrote upthread - which apparently drew the ire of some.
....If real-life conditions were tested and this is the result, well, then perhaps the basis for measuring success need some adjustment. And here we are.
And to be clear, I am one of many who have no illusions that running an airline isn't really about the comfort of the self-loading cargo or even of the cabin crew. It's about money and profit and cost-efficiency and ROI and all those other nice financial words.
And to be clear, I am one of many who have no illusions that running an airline isn't really about the comfort of the self-loading cargo or even of the cabin crew. It's about money and profit and cost-efficiency and ROI and all those other nice financial words.
I enjoyed my seat on my first 7M8 flight as well as some of the features of the IFE, OH bins. Some or many people who have flown in Y on these aircraft have not been happy and each has their own experience on which to draw.
These aircraft were not bought for passenger comfort. Some passengers will be comfortable, some will be very uncomfortable. That is up to each of us to deal with on whichever aircraft we fly on however long the route is.
However, when we fly with cabin crew who are unhappy about the cabin features they have to work in and work with, their unhappiness could affect their temperament and service. IMHO.
Apr 15, 2018, 8:50 pm
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Apr 15, 2018, 9:55 pm
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Originally Posted by 24left
I'll just re-post this bit that I wrote upthread - which apparently drew the ire of some.