Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Apr 8, 2018, 12:55 am
#1096
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Without direct knowledge of anything about the 737 MAX, one might surmise that when a new aircraft type is being rolled out, even if its failure rate is the same as the previous aircraft, the amount of delay resulting from those failures will be greater due to fewer qualified maintenance personnel, lack of familiarity with common failure modes, smaller supply of spare parts, less data on what parts to stock and in what quantity, and so on.
Apr 8, 2018, 8:33 am
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There are nearly always issues that only show up with actual, real world experience. And given the complexities of engines, bound to happen.
Letely has affected obviously Pratt with the geared fan, but also the 787 Rolls engine, pretty bad too for them, and to a lesser extent the Franco-American Leap engine.
In the case of Rolls, they had become way too arrogant for their own good, so not such a big surprise. Will teach them some dose of realism.
Apr 8, 2018, 9:42 am
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It doesn't have to be the engines that have teething problems. The mechanics, the mechanics toolbox, the supervisors, pilots and operations staff are all new to the engines in question.
From having muscle memory to know what socket heads to climb up the ladder with to knowing what can be cleared with a reboot, to knowing when some aggressive percussive maintenance will clear the fault. 10 minutes of hesitation born of inexperience X 6 people is an hour long delay.
From having muscle memory to know what socket heads to climb up the ladder with to knowing what can be cleared with a reboot, to knowing when some aggressive percussive maintenance will clear the fault. 10 minutes of hesitation born of inexperience X 6 people is an hour long delay.
Apr 8, 2018, 10:34 am
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Apr 8, 2018, 9:42 pm
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But you're absolutely right about the Leap engine on AC's 7M8... it feels like you're sitting. around. forever. once the tug disconnects.
Apr 10, 2018, 9:04 am
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I can't speak to the GTF because I didn't really notice us sitting around particularly long the one time I flew a CS100. Not saying you're wrong, I could totally have missed it in all the excitement of finally flying that plane.
But you're absolutely right about the Leap engine on AC's 7M8... it feels like you're sitting. around. forever. once the tug disconnects.
But you're absolutely right about the Leap engine on AC's 7M8... it feels like you're sitting. around. forever. once the tug disconnects.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...n-half-424321/
Apr 10, 2018, 11:23 am
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Just had a conversation with an FA who said she was told they were looking at re-configuring the galley due to all the complaints as no one wants to work on these planes. She said passengers generally have positive feedback (especially J and Preferred Seats) excluding lav's which everyone complains about. I have really liked my flights in J (YYZ-YYC) but the RapidAir flights (YYZ-YUL) I've not had breakfast yet because they never make it past row 2 before they run out of time.
Apr 10, 2018, 11:50 am
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Just had a conversation with an FA who said she was told they were looking at re-configuring the galley due to all the complaints as no one wants to work on these planes. She said passengers generally have positive feedback (especially J and Preferred Seats) excluding lav's which everyone complains about. I have really liked my flights in J (YYZ-YYC) but the RapidAir flights (YYZ-YUL) I've not had breakfast yet because they never make it past row 2 before they run out of time.
The rear galley (and lavs) they can improve though - if they replace it with a full rear galley and re-locate the lavs in front of the galley on either side (same as current A320 series). Would be loss of 3 seats.
Apr 10, 2018, 1:42 pm
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Just had a conversation with an FA who said she was told they were looking at re-configuring the galley due to all the complaints as no one wants to work on these planes. She said passengers generally have positive feedback (especially J and Preferred Seats) excluding lav's which everyone complains about. I have really liked my flights in J (YYZ-YYC) but the RapidAir flights (YYZ-YUL) I've not had breakfast yet because they never make it past row 2 before they run out of time.
A more likely proposition is the elimination of complimentary meals in Y on shorter TATL flights.
Apr 10, 2018, 3:31 pm
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Back in the day, in the 80's, you'd get a full YYZ-YOW flight where EVERYBODY including all of Y got a full hot breakfast. In under 40 minutes. Regularly.
Apr 10, 2018, 3:59 pm
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Apr 10, 2018, 4:48 pm
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Apr 10, 2018, 5:32 pm
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What might now be quite as surprising would be if for the larger model, they would reexamine the configuration and make some changes, if indeed the issue comes across to them as serious enough.
Apr 10, 2018, 6:09 pm
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How many have been delivered, and how many more are on order? If this is a change that would happen, now would be the time to do it and not 36 months from now.