Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Jun 11, 2020, 4:59 pm
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It will be a brave airline that flies the 7M8. Any little thing that goes wrong will be magnified.
I've read elsewhere (it was on the internet therefore it's true ...) that designing a new airframe would run somewhere between $4 and $5 billion. Boeing wanted to save $$$ so they implemented MCAS instead.
I wonder if it's really worth sticking so stubbornly with MCAS + recertification vs doing what should have been done in the first place.
I've read elsewhere (it was on the internet therefore it's true ...) that designing a new airframe would run somewhere between $4 and $5 billion. Boeing wanted to save $$$ so they implemented MCAS instead.
I wonder if it's really worth sticking so stubbornly with MCAS + recertification vs doing what should have been done in the first place.
A220 - $7 billion USD estimate
A350 - €11 billion estimate
787 - $32 billion USD estimate
777X - $5 billion USD and counting
It strikes me that Boeing would struggle to develop a new aircraft for $4-5 billion US based on what other programs have recently cost. You are definitely correct though that the Max will likely cost a minimum of 4 times, if not 8 times, what a new program would have cost. Hindsight is easy however.
Jun 11, 2020, 8:07 pm
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FAA decisions or not, I'd not be assuming any equipment out more then what you are in when its wheels up time.
Jun 11, 2020, 8:35 pm
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Very interesting read. Posted a few hours ago.
https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...r-jets-return/
https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...r-jets-return/
Jun 11, 2020, 9:52 pm
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If as claimed in some other thread (maybe the Air Transat one) AC got the Canadian authorities un their pocket, best for them might be that the Max Canadian certification gets delayed until they really need them. Or it's so late that the deal with Boeing is so far out of contractual conditions that their can get out. :-)
Surely many airlines are now hoping/praying for the Max to get delayed for quite a while. :-)
Meanwhile it seems AC gets their 223s flying as soon as they get them. Now 6.
Surely many airlines are now hoping/praying for the Max to get delayed for quite a while. :-)
Meanwhile it seems AC gets their 223s flying as soon as they get them. Now 6.
Jun 11, 2020, 11:05 pm
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Your comments are rather silly. Leadership at multiple airlines - AC, United, American, Southwest, and others - have indicated they will return to flying it once it is recertified. The Alaska Group President stated exactly that yesterday in an interview with The Seattle Times:
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/to-survive-the-pandemic-alaska-air-prepares-to-shrink-and-shed-thousands-of-jobs/
"We haven’t made firm decisions,” he said. “Long term, we’ll have MAXs in the Alaska fleet, for sure. We’re big Boeing supporters.”
Pretty clear it will be in North American airspace flying passengers (once it gets past recertfication).
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/to-survive-the-pandemic-alaska-air-prepares-to-shrink-and-shed-thousands-of-jobs/
"We haven’t made firm decisions,” he said. “Long term, we’ll have MAXs in the Alaska fleet, for sure. We’re big Boeing supporters.”
Pretty clear it will be in North American airspace flying passengers (once it gets past recertfication).
Next, there are countless aviation regulators worldwide who need to re-certify this airplane, they will not all certify it just because the FAA calls it 'done'. The FAA won't be calling anything 'done' without both technical and political issues out of the way. Trump can wake up one morning feeling cranky about Boeing and slap another 6 months of wait time arbitrarily because he feels like it.
Next, as mentioned below, Spirit has been told to stop production, meaning Boeing does not expect the backlog of undelivered aircraft to start clearing any time soon - and it's possible they may shift deliveries from airlines that want to cancel, to airlines that want to order, and use those existing builds to clear out the backlog, but without airlines willing to take delivery, this won't happen anytime soon.
Next, as mentioned below, there is still more work to be done on development, then testing, then test flights, then rework, then more tests, etc - if this airplane ever flies again regardless of its name, as I have claimed consistently, it won't be before 4th quarter 2020, but more likely sometime in 2021, but I still hold an opinion this airplane may never fly again especially if any new technical issues come up.
Jun 17, 2020, 8:34 pm
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The United States Senate is currently going after the FAA pretty hard - and deservedly so. There will be a lot of CYA activity at the FAA, and a likely major rule change that reverses the entire concept of 'self certification', which should never have happened in the first place. Given this investigation, it's more likely than not, the FAA will be a taking a very long time, and a more thorough look at the MAX, so my forecast stands - 2021 at the earliest, if at all.
Jun 17, 2020, 10:35 pm
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Jun 18, 2020, 9:32 am
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Pretty sure newer Boeing designs fit that bill too though.
But incorporating such a system on newer versions of the 737, while likely doable, would not allow for grandfathering the certification. Which would have been not only expensive but time-consuming, too much so for potential customers.
Jun 19, 2020, 8:43 am
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Jun 19, 2020, 9:47 am
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