Announcing Premium Economy & new 777-300ERs
Oct 19, 2013, 5:50 am
#1291
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Except that the seats would appear to be smaller and tighter than on the 763's they'll be replacing - meanwhile North americans are getting bigger and bigger.
Oct 19, 2013, 7:42 am
#1292
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I've only flown that route once, but the Priority line for the YUL flight (the second to depart) was insane and I can't imagine what the general boarding mess would have been like, or indeed the mess of boarding the YYZ flight while the early YUL passengers arrived, as I just passed through fairly early on the way to the lounge.
I was pretty surprised that the MLL was so far from the AC gates, but even more surprised that by the time I left the lounge for boarding for the YUL flight, all the flights that had been using the gate area in the satellite were boarded and the satellite was vacant! All of the gates were idle and the shops were closed. It seemed that the AC crowd would have been much better balanced if the YYZ and YUL flights boarded from there.
I was pretty surprised that the MLL was so far from the AC gates, but even more surprised that by the time I left the lounge for boarding for the YUL flight, all the flights that had been using the gate area in the satellite were boarded and the satellite was vacant! All of the gates were idle and the shops were closed. It seemed that the AC crowd would have been much better balanced if the YYZ and YUL flights boarded from there.
Oct 19, 2013, 7:45 am
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How much narrower are the aisles on the 77HD? Maybe they could use those super narrow aisles on the 787, and not sacrifice too much seat room? Would be a pain for FA's with their carts though, and/or for passengers sitting in the aisle who get bushwhacked in the head everytime someone walks by.
Oct 19, 2013, 8:03 am
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How much narrower are the aisles on the 77HD? Maybe they could use those super narrow aisles on the 787, and not sacrifice too much seat room? Would be a pain for FA's with their carts though, and/or for passengers sitting in the aisle who get bushwhacked in the head everytime someone walks by.
My only personal experience on a 10 abreast Y 773 was on Air NZ between LAX & AKL. NZ's seats are a fraction wider, and seated on the aisle, trolleys were constantly clipping the seat banks. In finalizing seat width/dimensions, it would appear that this consideration would be factored in by the Marketing/Commercial department.
Oct 19, 2013, 8:55 am
#1295
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But why do you assume seat pitch is less on 787 than 767? That's my point.
Add the other improvements and I think, on the whole, it will be a better ride.
Oct 19, 2013, 9:03 am
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I´m not convinced of that. While AC hasn´t announced the exact measurements yet, I´d be very surprised if a 3-3-3 config were more comfortable than a 2-3-2 config. A pair of two seats is as comfortable as it gets in Y IMO while having someone stuck in a middle seat pretty much always makes the experience more uncomfortable for everyone.
Oct 19, 2013, 10:25 am
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I think I've read this entire thread over time and I don't recall any posts where anybody (including YYZ/SD) has suggested your points are are not as valid as those made by others.
You and many others have shared your perspective as a passenger for the entire travel experience. Others have shared their experience from their different perspective. All are valid and make for interesting reading.
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You and many others have shared your perspective as a passenger for the entire travel experience. Others have shared their experience from their different perspective. All are valid and make for interesting reading.
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May I ask why you say this? PE is not available on other aircraft yet so what can you compare this to? And what are the problems in J (unless you hate the new seat - is that it?)? How is it a far from a seamless experience? From reading ACYYZ/SD's posts about his actual experience with the new product, one seems to get a different impression, no?
I also find it interesting to see the viewpoint of crew, but certainly what is being posted here is much more rosy than what I have seen and heard from others.
The aisles are marginally narrower, and as such, a bit more attention and precision needs to be paid to cart movement throughout the cabin. Most customers are able to pass through the aisles "side by side" without having to back up.
There was also a post a few pages back about the armrest in J on the aisle, and how that doesn't afford any protection from activity in the aisle, so one does need to be careful. The other issue is that the single seats don't have a lot of space to step into; I took a photo of the wasted space and narrow area but haven't had a chance to post it yet, due in part to the fact that I dropped my iPod in the gap between the seat and the side of the seat and in an effort to extract it, it broke (Nothing like the UA new seats which eat glasses, iPods, etc but where the pilot has a few times now salvaged my glasses for me quite cheerfully in flight, undamaged)
Oct 19, 2013, 3:06 pm
#1298
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Width >>>>>> pitch for customer comfort.
Oct 19, 2013, 9:34 pm
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There is a lot of merit to ditching an airline because of an unacceptable aircraft type. I have been studiously trying to avoid the 77P. I have a YVR-YYZ-EZE return booking that I thought was safe from it. Not any more - equipment change and the return YYZ-YVR leg is on the beast. That should be fun with a lap infant and a 4 year old.
Oct 19, 2013, 9:53 pm
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Oct 19, 2013, 9:54 pm
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Oct 19, 2013, 9:57 pm
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(though this means that I can and will honestly tell CX that I would rather go through the US than be rebooked on AC if any of my HKGYVR/YVRHKG flights run into IRROPS, so long as I have my Canadian passport with me (which is most of the time.). Not that this is likely, since an opup is more probable.)
Oct 19, 2013, 10:00 pm
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+1 ^ That's exactly what I said.
People can be unhappy for any number of reasons, I get it. But writing off an airline (or any other business, really) for a single or isolated "unacceptable" event only hurts the consumer himself/herself in the end. "Well I haven't flown AC ever since I spent 2 segments in a sardine." Yeah, great, meanwhile AC filled their seat with another butt and you've eliminated AC as an option when they might actually be more competitive than the alternative.
People can be unhappy for any number of reasons, I get it. But writing off an airline (or any other business, really) for a single or isolated "unacceptable" event only hurts the consumer himself/herself in the end. "Well I haven't flown AC ever since I spent 2 segments in a sardine." Yeah, great, meanwhile AC filled their seat with another butt and you've eliminated AC as an option when they might actually be more competitive than the alternative.
Oct 19, 2013, 10:24 pm
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OK, also measured my shoulder width. (I wedged myself between the wall and a door to measure.) I am 16.5" wide. I am 5'4" and fairly athletic but I could probably stand to lose 5 lbs. So it looks like I can barely fit into my own 17" seat! (My butt is also about 16.5" wide in a seated position.)