May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
Last edit by: Arcanum
Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
Dec 29, 2012, 4:27 pm
#346
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: yyz
Programs: Non-Rev Lifetime
Posts: 1,925
Dec 30, 2012, 12:38 am
#347
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,187
It would seem likely that AC management believes they can spin this off from the mainline carrier and then focus on this model. Eventually you let the mainline carrier fail and then re-emerge with AC as a LCC without any of the constraints previously placed on them. Would make sense to me. AC likely can't get out of the long term debt implications, so you build up a LCC using AC as a funding and infrastructure source (much easier than starting from scratch) and then focus on the LCC if economic conditions deteriorate and the mainline carrier starts to tank it.
Dec 30, 2012, 4:25 am
#348
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE MM, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,604
Have checked a few weeks in June/July on AC website and its down to fly YYZ-DUB 6 times a week with the other weekly flight scheduled for Executive First pods 767. Two flights for summer 2012 were Executive First pods.
It looks like BCN will now be all Executive First pods 767 flights as a result of the new loco.
It looks like BCN will now be all Executive First pods 767 flights as a result of the new loco.
Jan 1, 2013, 2:36 am
#349
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE MM, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,604
Rouge routes booked on flight passes will not received any additional mileage consideration. There is some precedent to this - Asia flight passes book into Tango, but are eligible for 100% status miles. This is not the case with Rouge. North American flight pass T&C:
Tango+
Latitude
Tango+
Eligible traveller will earn 100% Air Canada Status Miles for distance flown using flight credits. Status Miles qualify for Air Canada Top Tier Status.
Eligible travellers will earn 400 Air Canada Status Miles per flight operated by Air Canada rouge.
Eligible travellers will earn 400 Air Canada Status Miles per flight operated by Air Canada rouge.
Eligible travellers will earn 100% Air Canada Status Miles for distance flown, or the minimum mileage amount, whichever is greater, when using flight credits, including complimentary upgrades. Status Miles qualify for Air Canada Top Tier Status.
Eligible travellers will earn 1,400 Air Canada Status Miles per flight operated by Air Canada rouge.
Eligible travellers will earn 1,400 Air Canada Status Miles per flight operated by Air Canada rouge.
Jan 1, 2013, 6:15 am
#350
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada
Programs: AC 75K, Hertz President’s Circle, Accor Gold, Hilton Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 10,069
Where has a legacy carrier successfully implemented a discount airline? I can think of Jetstar and that's all I come up with. Seems to me like this has been tried in many places and has not worked. I don't fly AC now and Rouge won't change that as Westjet will be competitive with Rouge as will the US carriers.
Jan 3, 2013, 12:21 pm
#351
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: YYZ
Programs: Aeroplan, Air Miles
Posts: 942
so the MRS and I will be flying off to EDI in September. my 3rd time. I was excited to see direct flight to EDI until i saw the price
ROUGE $1155.28
Transat to GLA is $893.68
as much as I hate flying to GLA and doing the bus transfer to EDI, I think I will have to for the $523.20(2 pax) difference.
Besides, I love the 2 seats near the back where you get like 34 inch seat pitch.
ROUGE $1155.28
Transat to GLA is $893.68
as much as I hate flying to GLA and doing the bus transfer to EDI, I think I will have to for the $523.20(2 pax) difference.
Besides, I love the 2 seats near the back where you get like 34 inch seat pitch.
Jan 3, 2013, 1:58 pm
#352
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Left
Programs: FT
Posts: 7,285
so the MRS and I will be flying off to EDI in September. my 3rd time. I was excited to see direct flight to EDI until i saw the price
ROUGE $1155.28
Transat to GLA is $893.68
as much as I hate flying to GLA and doing the bus transfer to EDI, I think I will have to for the $523.20(2 pax) difference.
Besides, I love the 2 seats near the back where you get like 34 inch seat pitch.
ROUGE $1155.28
Transat to GLA is $893.68
as much as I hate flying to GLA and doing the bus transfer to EDI, I think I will have to for the $523.20(2 pax) difference.
Besides, I love the 2 seats near the back where you get like 34 inch seat pitch.
Jan 3, 2013, 7:59 pm
#353
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: YYZ
Programs: Aeroplan, Air Miles
Posts: 942
Jan 3, 2013, 9:03 pm
#354
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: CHI
Programs: UA 1K, MR Titanium, IHG Gold, National Exec
Posts: 3,842
Where has a legacy carrier successfully implemented a discount airline? I can think of Jetstar and that's all I come up with. Seems to me like this has been tried in many places and has not worked. I don't fly AC now and Rouge won't change that as Westjet will be competitive with Rouge as will the US carriers.
Jan 3, 2013, 11:12 pm
#355
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,830
It's a scary world where the starting salary of $39k/yr for a [co-]pilot is considered "high wages". The least senior pilot was hired 7 years ago; so you're looking at at least 7 years of co-pilot pay before moving up (and that's if you want to fly props, make that 14 years for jets)
Jan 3, 2013, 11:17 pm
#356
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,187
ACanada is one of the few places in the world now where there is no real LCC market so things could be different this time around, although I desperately hope Rouge goes in the rouge ASAP. (WS has a LCC structure, but the fares aren't really low and the on-board services exceed some traditional carriers)
Jan 3, 2013, 11:21 pm
#357
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,187
It's a scary world where the starting salary of $39k/yr for a [co-]pilot is considered "high wages". The least senior pilot was hired 7 years ago; so you're looking at at least 7 years of co-pilot pay before moving up (and that's if you want to fly props, make that 14 years for jets)
Jan 4, 2013, 12:14 am
#359
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: CHI
Programs: UA 1K, MR Titanium, IHG Gold, National Exec
Posts: 3,842
It's a scary world where the starting salary of $39k/yr for a [co-]pilot is considered "high wages". The least senior pilot was hired 7 years ago; so you're looking at at least 7 years of co-pilot pay before moving up (and that's if you want to fly props, make that 14 years for jets)
The suggestion is that AC will use Rouge as a platform to eventually merge at least part of their mainline ops into rather than having it as a bona fide poor cousin of AC. This is a pessimistic viewpoint but something of the sort may well happen. Of course, there will be fierce resistance from ACPA, CUPE, et al. for every inch Rouge steps into mainline AC territory but with Harper and Raitt in Ottawa AC clearly has the green light to play the hawk and get what they want.
Jan 4, 2013, 12:30 am
#360
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 881
AC in any case has no need that I can see to merge any of its mainline ops into Rouge. It is now free, within the restrictions to Rouge's size, to transfer what mainline ops it wishes to Rouge without performing a merger. As you're likely aware, ATH, the DR, Costa Rica and most Cuban routes will soon be moved to Rouge without a merger or any further girations at all. Other routes, I assume, will follow as Rouge expands (if it lasts).