May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
Last edit by: Arcanum
Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
Aug 16, 2014, 12:56 pm
#3511
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: YEG
Posts: 3,717
Didnt know any of the 67 fleet had winglets;
Thanks!
Thanks!
Aug 16, 2014, 1:07 pm
#3512
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SFO
Programs: *G^2, Bonvoyed, NEXUS
Posts: 3,516
Aug 16, 2014, 2:37 pm
#3513
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Never home.
Posts: 2,971
Rouge fins 631-636 have winglets, 691-692 (ex Pineapples) currently don't but will get winglets this fall to match at the same time as the interior is updated from 264 to 280 seats. Last I heard, only 10 Rouge 763s are scheduled to get winglets which means just 2 of the 4 being converted this winter will get them.
Aug 16, 2014, 2:46 pm
#3514
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 3
air canada rouge or ruse?
I have been on several rouge flights especially yyz to las and I have to believe a better name for this airline would be Air Canada Ruse.
If it was a discount airline, the prices would be cheap. They are not. It is a "ruse'.
The fares have actually gone up on the yyz to las route since "Ruse" has taken over.
This flight is over 4 hours and the chairs are way too tight for any comfort.
Has there been any benefit to customers since Air Canada switched to "Ruse"? I can't think of any. Same prices or higher and less value. Ipad entertainment is a joke compared to the Air Canada planes.
And everyone I speak with says the same. The Elite and Super Elite are not amused by this "Ruse".
Bring back AC especially on long flights from yyz to las, or phx.
I'm now checking other routing and Westjet on those flights so I can have some comfort.
If it was a discount airline, the prices would be cheap. They are not. It is a "ruse'.
The fares have actually gone up on the yyz to las route since "Ruse" has taken over.
This flight is over 4 hours and the chairs are way too tight for any comfort.
Has there been any benefit to customers since Air Canada switched to "Ruse"? I can't think of any. Same prices or higher and less value. Ipad entertainment is a joke compared to the Air Canada planes.
And everyone I speak with says the same. The Elite and Super Elite are not amused by this "Ruse".
Bring back AC especially on long flights from yyz to las, or phx.
I'm now checking other routing and Westjet on those flights so I can have some comfort.
Last edited by walterbord; Aug 16, 2014 at 2:52 pm Reason: grammer
Aug 17, 2014, 5:18 am
#3515
Formerly known as tireman77
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 5,530
I have been on several rouge flights especially yyz to las and I have to believe a better name for this airline would be Air Canada Ruse.
If it was a discount airline, the prices would be cheap. They are not. It is a "ruse'.
The fares have actually gone up on the yyz to las route since "Ruse" has taken over.
This flight is over 4 hours and the chairs are way too tight for any comfort.
Has there been any benefit to customers since Air Canada switched to "Ruse"? I can't think of any. Same prices or higher and less value. Ipad entertainment is a joke compared to the Air Canada planes.
And everyone I speak with says the same. The Elite and Super Elite are not amused by this "Ruse".
Bring back AC especially on long flights from yyz to las, or phx.
I'm now checking other routing and Westjet on those flights so I can have some comfort.
If it was a discount airline, the prices would be cheap. They are not. It is a "ruse'.
The fares have actually gone up on the yyz to las route since "Ruse" has taken over.
This flight is over 4 hours and the chairs are way too tight for any comfort.
Has there been any benefit to customers since Air Canada switched to "Ruse"? I can't think of any. Same prices or higher and less value. Ipad entertainment is a joke compared to the Air Canada planes.
And everyone I speak with says the same. The Elite and Super Elite are not amused by this "Ruse".
Bring back AC especially on long flights from yyz to las, or phx.
I'm now checking other routing and Westjet on those flights so I can have some comfort.
Your options are, in essence Rouge or nothing.
Aug 17, 2014, 8:21 am
#3516
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Programs: United MileagePlus Silver, Nexus, Global Entry
Posts: 8,798
"Nothing?"
Is there a Rouge route that isn't served by a single competitor?
Sure, there might be routes with no nonstop competitors, but I can't think of a single route where there aren't many other options.
If you're not happy about Rouge speak with your wallet.
Is there a Rouge route that isn't served by a single competitor?
Sure, there might be routes with no nonstop competitors, but I can't think of a single route where there aren't many other options.
If you're not happy about Rouge speak with your wallet.
Aug 17, 2014, 8:31 am
#3517
Formerly known as tireman77
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 5,530
I still don't get why people can't understand that if routes were profitable on mainline, there would be no need to rouge them.
Aug 17, 2014, 8:40 am
#3518
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,130
I wonder if the only thing stopping AC from going all-Rouge are the labor contracts (no real J on Rouge and all that)
Aug 17, 2014, 8:46 am
#3519
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 319
Anybody, including me, who is capable of making a reservation and buying the ticket understands that....it doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't voice our objections,dislikes and desires concerning Rouge or Air Canada mainline.
Aug 17, 2014, 9:15 am
#3520
Formerly known as tireman77
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 5,530
The argument I don't get is: "Its not cheaper and I'm getting less." If it was profitable in the first place, there would be no Rouge.
Aug 17, 2014, 9:20 am
#3521
Formerly known as tireman77
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 5,530
To increase the profit margin, maybe? Rouge has lower costs than mainline - why offer a more costly product unless the competition requires it? Right now it doesn't look like it does: so much additional capacity. So little impact on yields. In such cases, why wouldn't you Rouge (labor contracts notwithstanding)?
I wonder if the only thing stopping AC from going all-Rouge are the labor contracts (no real J on Rouge and all that)
I wonder if the only thing stopping AC from going all-Rouge are the labor contracts (no real J on Rouge and all that)
I'll be the first to admit when using ACV that a $200-$300 upgrade for J was a no brainer and I partook in it as often as I could. I'm not going to be a hypocrite now and lament that its gone, when I know I was getting a ridiculously great deal in the past.
Aug 17, 2014, 11:13 am
#3522
Join Date: Dec 2013
Programs: AC, A3*G AB-G
Posts: 155
Because it is not true. The criteria for routes going Rouge is that they were not making "enough" profit, not necessarily that they were losing money.
Aug 17, 2014, 11:24 am
#3523
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Programs: United MileagePlus Silver, Nexus, Global Entry
Posts: 8,798
Otherwise it's just noise - AC is still getting your money, so what do they care?
I have refused to fly the routes out of YVR that have been Rouged. I fly the competition instead. Drop in the ocean, but I've done my part to vote with my (company's) wallet.
Aug 17, 2014, 12:24 pm
#3525
Formerly known as tireman77
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 5,530
Sorry if I was not clear. What I mean is that on routes with a lot full fare Y and paid J, it would be counter intuitive for AC to make the route Rouge.
They are the only carrier in Canada offering a real J, lounges, access to a worldwide network, etc.
The routes that are rouge are routes with lower average fares and routes that face their main competition from carriers that do not offer those services (J, lounge, network, etc).
They are the only carrier in Canada offering a real J, lounges, access to a worldwide network, etc.
The routes that are rouge are routes with lower average fares and routes that face their main competition from carriers that do not offer those services (J, lounge, network, etc).