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FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement&quot

INTRO

This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.

Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.

INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS

What is the "Mini-RTW"?

The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.

In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:

•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015

So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:

NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC

You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:

NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC

Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.


How many miles is this going to cost me?

See the Award Travel chart here.

From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First

From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First

...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).

Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?

You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.

So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?

There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.

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1) Your itinerary must be within 5% of the total "Maximum Permitted Mileage" (MPM) for the route from the origin to the destination. Even though you are stopping in three cities by using your two stopovers and a final destination, you can define the destination as the stop city furthest away from the origin. Although certain flyers have gotten away with telling an inattentive phone rep that their final destination / "turnaround city" is one of their layover cities to increase their MPM, this does not always work. Sticking with one of your three stop cities is a safe bet.

MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.

To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.

TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
2) If you do elect to use an open jaw instead of one of your stopovers, you must schedule the open jaw so that it is in the same "IATA zone" as either the origin or the destination city. So if you are going from NY to Japan to Europe and back to NY, the open jaw cannot be scheduled in Europe, since it is neither the origin zone or the destination zone. The open jaw also cannot be a larger distance than any two legs you are actually flying. In case you are wondering, IATA zones are as follows:

IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.

Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.

3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.

4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.


Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?

No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).


How do I book this?

Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.


What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.

Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.


What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?

$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.


How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!

Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.

The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.

One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 6:05 pm
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thx!
very informative!
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Old Mar 18, 2012, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by wwtsang
thanks for the prompt answer

my current trip looks like this
YYZ-DUS-ZRH(stop)-BKK-HKG(dest)-ORD-YYZ
i'm looking to make DUS another stop, pretty sure that'll be doable right?
You are allowed 3 stops in all (2 actual stops and the point of turnaround). All the other stops need to be less than 24 hours.

With your Itinerary posted above, you can add DUS as a stop.

For your return, you could also come back via Europe.

For example:
HKG - FRA - ZRH - YUL - YYZ
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Old Mar 18, 2012, 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by InsaneTravel
You are allowed 3 stops in all (2 actual stops and the point of turnaround). All the other stops need to be less than 24 hours.

With your Itinerary posted above, you can add DUS as a stop.

For your return, you could also come back via Europe.

For example:
HKG - FRA - ZRH - YUL - YYZ
I thought it was one stop in each direction, so you couldn't have both ZRH and DUS as stops en route to your destination in Asia? Am I mistaken?
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Old Mar 18, 2012, 2:26 pm
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Originally Posted by mabramovich
I thought it was one stop in each direction, so you couldn't have both ZRH and DUS as stops en route to your destination in Asia? Am I mistaken?
I don't think there is a restriction about stopping 2X on the way or on the way back.

As per:

http://www2.aeroplan.com/adr/Popup.d...dItineraryHelp

By calling the Aeroplan Contact Centre, you may book an international itinerary between different continents including two stopovers or one stopover and one open jaw, plus your point of turnaround. (Certain routing restrictions apply)
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Old Mar 18, 2012, 7:41 pm
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Originally Posted by InsaneTravel
You are allowed 3 stops in all (2 actual stops and the point of turnaround). All the other stops need to be less than 24 hours.

With your Itinerary posted above, you can add DUS as a stop.

For your return, you could also come back via Europe.

For example:
HKG - FRA - ZRH - YUL - YYZ
is it legal to fly back through the same city that's on my itinerary?

thanks for the suggestion but that would make it not a mini-RTW and result in from the community though flying LX F does sound much better than UA F, plus i've used my one chance of free changes after a scheduling change gave me some wiggle room
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Old Mar 19, 2012, 10:43 pm
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Originally Posted by wwtsang
is it legal to fly back through the same city that's on my itinerary?
Yes as long as you fly through this city 1X on the way to the Turnaround point and then 1X on the way back


Originally Posted by wwtsang
thanks for the suggestion but that would make it not a mini-RTW and result in from the community
I would still consider it a Mini RTW, whether you cross 1 ocean or 2. I live in Vancouver so I prefer to go the long way (over the Atlantic both ways)

Originally Posted by wwtsang
though flying LX F does sound much better than UA F, plus i've used my one chance of free changes after a scheduling change gave me some wiggle room
You could always call back and ask if you could have another free change. Mention that you felt "pressured to make a quick decision, you were really worried that your whole trip would be ruined" I suspect most agents would sympathize with you. Specially the younger (newer) nighttime or weekend agents.
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 9:47 pm
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Hi all,

Apologies if this has already been answered but I didn't see it posted here.

I'm looking at an itin that would have me fly through Paris. The thing is my flight would arrive at 6:50 am and the outbound is at 7:00 am. This obviously cannot happen. On the other hand, if I were to wait for the next day that would cause me to be in the city more than 24 hours. Would that then be illegal?
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Old Apr 21, 2012, 12:16 am
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Originally Posted by NewToCanada
Hi all,

Apologies if this has already been answered but I didn't see it posted here.

I'm looking at an itin that would have me fly through Paris. The thing is my flight would arrive at 6:50 am and the outbound is at 7:00 am. This obviously cannot happen. On the other hand, if I were to wait for the next day that would cause me to be in the city more than 24 hours. Would that then be illegal?
if you call AE to have a 24 hour and 10 minute connection they would probably allow it (you could kindly ask them if there are other options if they suggest short connections since you're meeting a friend in Paris), are there no other connections or are you trying to maximum your connection stay without it being counted as a stopover?
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Old Apr 21, 2012, 10:44 am
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Originally Posted by wwtsang
if you call AE to have a 24 hour and 10 minute connection they would probably allow it (you could kindly ask them if there are other options if they suggest short connections since you're meeting a friend in Paris), are there no other connections or are you trying to maximum your connection stay without it being counted as a stopover?
Well my idea is to come in on the BKK-CDG FT shuttle on TG, which arrives at 6:50. Then overnight in Paris and take the ZRH-YUL TF shuttle on LX, which leaves at 12:50. I could do the whole thing in one day I think but that sounds sort of nightmarish. So if I want to cut it up I have to overnight and then I have that long gap.
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Old Apr 22, 2012, 12:08 am
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Originally Posted by NewToCanada
Well my idea is to come in on the BKK-CDG FT shuttle on TG, which arrives at 6:50. Then overnight in Paris and take the ZRH-YUL TF shuttle on LX, which leaves at 12:50. I could do the whole thing in one day I think but that sounds sort of nightmarish. So if I want to cut it up I have to overnight and then I have that long gap.
call and ask them nicely, my guess is they'll allow you to treat it as a connection since it's just barely over 24 hours in CDG when you leave the next morning on the LX flight

due to an invol. schedule change i was allowed a 25 hr 15 min connection for my upcoming mini-rtw
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Old Apr 22, 2012, 8:45 pm
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I'm looking at a TG flight from BKK-FRA, TG922 in late December. It is listed as the 773. Does anyone know if that means they would have the first-class suites, or are those only to Paris?

Thanks!
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Old Apr 22, 2012, 9:19 pm
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Originally Posted by NewToCanada
I'm looking at a TG flight from BKK-FRA, TG922 in late December. It is listed as the 773. Does anyone know if that means they would have the first-class suites, or are those only to Paris?

Thanks!
I think the FRA route has the suites. I wouldn't fly into FRA not in LH, though - if you park on the apron, no Porsche/Mercedes for you. If flying into/out of FRA, I'd stick to LH to get better "care". what's also nice is if you have a tight connection, they'll drive you from one plane to another, avoiding the need to security-check.
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Old Apr 23, 2012, 4:56 pm
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OK, importing a conversation that I mistakenly posted on the wrong thread.

The backstory is as follows. I wrote:

Originally Posted by NewToCanada
I'm finding availability in F for an OZ flight LAX-ICN on the United website and on ANA, the latter via Pseudo Nim's booking tool. However: F does not show available with Aeroplan, either on their site or with the tool.

Is there I way I can book this using my AP miles, or am I just out of luck?
Pseudo Nim replied:

Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
Hm. If it doesn't show up on AP it's not good - BUT do call in anyway. Just as with the ghost LH availability, you may find that what the agents have access to differs from what's on the website - so worth a shot. I would say if it shows up on ANA, they should be able to try booking it. Ask for "the other system" if they can't find it - maybe they can look there (it's an older system that's kind of semi-retired but they still seem to be able to use it to search for flights).
Since then I've looked more and called AP twice but to no avail. F on OZ is available on United and on ANA but not on AP. The agents when I've called, both times, have told me that is normal: different airlines have different availability. And they and I have the same search engine.

On the face of it that makes sense, but what I find strange is that so far I get the EXACT same availability on ANA and United and AP for every other leg I've looked at -- with the single exeption of this one leg, which does not show up with AP.

Does anyone have any further thoughts, or do I just need to suck it up and take a different routing?
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Old Apr 23, 2012, 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
I think the FRA route has the suites. I wouldn't fly into FRA not in LH, though - if you park on the apron, no Porsche/Mercedes for you. If flying into/out of FRA, I'd stick to LH to get better "care". what's also nice is if you have a tight connection, they'll drive you from one plane to another, avoiding the need to security-check.

I would go TG for BKK-FRA for the massage in BKK and for the suites (If in fact it's a Jet Airways 773)

Then I would fly out of FRA on LH/LX for the FCL or FCT.
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Old Apr 23, 2012, 8:15 pm
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Originally Posted by InsaneTravel
I would go TG for BKK-FRA for the massage in BKK and for the suites (If in fact it's a Jet Airways 773)

Then I would fly out of FRA on LH/LX for the FCL or FCT.
Actually, I stand corrected. That is the correct strategy - TG ex-BKK and LH ex-FRA so that you get the best perks in both locations.
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