Air Canada to launch cut-rate vacation carrier
Apr 12, 2011, 8:27 am
#16
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I heard they were looking at HA B763s. There will be 8-10 of them available over the next couple of years as they take delivery of A332s.
This concept is interesting. Hopefully they will be able to keep certain hard product elements like AVOD (in all classes) and make it consistent across the fleet - need to be competitive with WS. I don't mind J (Y+) at 42" for a 6 hour flight (e.g. YVR-OGG or YYZ-DUB), in fact this is how the old and new HA birds are configured and it works for them. My only concern is when AC charges a full J/F fare and you end up with a highly inferior product such as one of the 3 Amigos.
This will be interesting to follow.
This concept is interesting. Hopefully they will be able to keep certain hard product elements like AVOD (in all classes) and make it consistent across the fleet - need to be competitive with WS. I don't mind J (Y+) at 42" for a 6 hour flight (e.g. YVR-OGG or YYZ-DUB), in fact this is how the old and new HA birds are configured and it works for them. My only concern is when AC charges a full J/F fare and you end up with a highly inferior product such as one of the 3 Amigos.
This will be interesting to follow.
Apr 12, 2011, 8:28 am
#17
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AC had the right idea with Tango, but for whatever reason were not able to make it work. Qantas has been very successful with Jetstar, and right now that division is very profitable while mainline QF is not. (And of course the most profitable QF division is its FF plan.)
I think part of the issue is they are too closely linked. I remember an issue where people would try and swap from a Tango plane to a mainline plane, which was a huge issue. Add to that their horrible gate placement in T3 at YYZ, lack of kiosks at the time, plane swaps (which was a good thing). made it more trouble than it was worth I think.
I think the Tango fare serves AC quite well rather than a whole plane. It looks like they are going after the Canjet/Transat's of the world than re-creating the Tango/Zip brand
Apr 12, 2011, 9:43 am
#18
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Obviously, the most important question is whether flights on the new carrier earn status miles.
Apr 12, 2011, 11:12 am
#20
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I'm sure it will (and AC already does). Remember they are two separate companies now. Not disimilar to how regional carriers in the US fly for various larger carriers.
Apr 12, 2011, 11:13 am
#21
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The new AC LCC is called Tango Plus, just to maximize confusion and in tribute to its failed Tango roots.
Apr 12, 2011, 11:15 am
#22
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Apr 12, 2011, 12:02 pm
#23
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or the 'revived' Tango International
Apr 12, 2011, 12:06 pm
#24
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I'm already stuck on one of the 319 señoritas with no avod and J so I'm getting a preview of the new strategy! Whoooo!
I can only hope they move this beast to another route (from YYZ-CUN + return - Saturdays).
I can only hope they move this beast to another route (from YYZ-CUN + return - Saturdays).
Apr 12, 2011, 1:31 pm
#25
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What I've heard....
The pilots have to agree to this. YYZ crews aren't in favour. It is expected that is where the brunt of the low wage airline will end up.
Low cost pay will be, one level below what a mainline crew makes.
ie:767 low cost will make what a mainline 320 pilot makes.
Airlines just don't learn. There has yet to be a succesful version of this idea.
The pilots have to agree to this. YYZ crews aren't in favour. It is expected that is where the brunt of the low wage airline will end up.
Low cost pay will be, one level below what a mainline crew makes.
ie:767 low cost will make what a mainline 320 pilot makes.
Airlines just don't learn. There has yet to be a succesful version of this idea.
Apr 12, 2011, 3:13 pm
#26
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I am sure the unions wont allow this again with 2 tier hiring....But maybe so.
AC did have luck in screwing over maintenance.
What color planes are in this year...Maybe a nice forest green or taupe.
AC did have luck in screwing over maintenance.
What color planes are in this year...Maybe a nice forest green or taupe.
Apr 12, 2011, 3:23 pm
#27
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I have never seen a company that never learns from it's mistakes, as often as this one. Was watching BNN the other night and one of the crack analysts receives a call from some guy asking whether or not he should bey ACE ( Air Canada ) shares.
The analyst almost laughed, before giving a dozen reasons why airlines in general and ACE specifically make unattractive buys. Had this been announced then, he would have had one more. There is a reason AC trades where it does. He did say the bonds make an attractive risk when airlines go bust. If your smart he said you can make money on the restructuring-Robert did.
The analyst almost laughed, before giving a dozen reasons why airlines in general and ACE specifically make unattractive buys. Had this been announced then, he would have had one more. There is a reason AC trades where it does. He did say the bonds make an attractive risk when airlines go bust. If your smart he said you can make money on the restructuring-Robert did.
Apr 12, 2011, 4:27 pm
#28
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An even more important question is whether one will be able to use Aeroplan miles on the new carrier. If Air Canada replaces AC flights to some sun destinations with the new carrier's flights, current AP customers will want to be able to redeem with the new carrier.
Apr 12, 2011, 4:42 pm
#29
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What I've heard....
The pilots have to agree to this. YYZ crews aren't in favour. It is expected that is where the brunt of the low wage airline will end up.
Low cost pay will be, one level below what a mainline crew makes.
ie:767 low cost will make what a mainline 320 pilot makes.
Airlines just don't learn. There has yet to be a succesful version of this idea.
The pilots have to agree to this. YYZ crews aren't in favour. It is expected that is where the brunt of the low wage airline will end up.
Low cost pay will be, one level below what a mainline crew makes.
ie:767 low cost will make what a mainline 320 pilot makes.
Airlines just don't learn. There has yet to be a succesful version of this idea.
Apr 12, 2011, 5:08 pm
#30
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Horrible Idea
I hope this is some sort of a joke.
Is there anything wrong with the current AC that a new division will fix? (yes, there are some small issues, odd pricing points and some lost luggage)
How about AC simply spend the effort that it would waste on this new (and likely temporary) airline on further improving it's self.
If I go on a vacation, I would rather fly on a top quality airline. If I wanted a sketchy airline I would fly transat or something similar.
Is there anything wrong with the current AC that a new division will fix? (yes, there are some small issues, odd pricing points and some lost luggage)
How about AC simply spend the effort that it would waste on this new (and likely temporary) airline on further improving it's self.
If I go on a vacation, I would rather fly on a top quality airline. If I wanted a sketchy airline I would fly transat or something similar.