Mini RTW Questions
May 31, 2015, 9:10 pm
#3601
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: YYZ
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yes, but NH and AC could be causing it to be higher?
Last edited by Cerenity; Jun 1, 2015 at 9:10 am
May 31, 2015, 10:55 pm
#3602
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I'm helping a relative book an AP reward ticket in business class. She wants to go to HKG, BKK and PVG. I have come up with the following itinerary:
YYZ - LAX (AC)
LAX - HND (NH)
HND - HKG (NH)
-> Stop
HKG - BKK (TG)
-> Stop
BKK - PVG (TG)
-> Stop
PVG - ORD (UA)
ORD - YYZ (AC)
I believe this is valid, but I'm just wondering about the first YYZ - HKG leg. If I search for YYZ - HKG on its own, I don't see the above option (only thing I see is a connection through Delhi). I only see it if I split up the search like YYZ- LAX and then LAX - HKG. Is there a reason why AP doesn't show that option by default? I just want to make sure there's nothing theoretically wrong with it before calling AP. Thanks !
YYZ - LAX (AC)
LAX - HND (NH)
HND - HKG (NH)
-> Stop
HKG - BKK (TG)
-> Stop
BKK - PVG (TG)
-> Stop
PVG - ORD (UA)
ORD - YYZ (AC)
I believe this is valid, but I'm just wondering about the first YYZ - HKG leg. If I search for YYZ - HKG on its own, I don't see the above option (only thing I see is a connection through Delhi). I only see it if I split up the search like YYZ- LAX and then LAX - HKG. Is there a reason why AP doesn't show that option by default? I just want to make sure there's nothing theoretically wrong with it before calling AP. Thanks !
As others have mentioned before, the AP search engine is not designed to give complicated itineraries. Be prepared for high YQ with AC, TG, and NH, although transiting HKG will give you some relief, but not much.
May 31, 2015, 11:59 pm
#3603
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: West
Posts: 3,357
If an option of open jaw is exercised, then that is all you get, no additional stop nor POT, right?
Jun 1, 2015, 8:30 am
#3604
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No they are not ex-Asia, please dont spread misinformation. The outbound is not scamchargeable, and the return only has $170.
Thats how I read it, but have no experience, never redeemed a domestic award.
Jun 1, 2015, 9:10 am
#3605
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i should have worded my response better, but i dont see how else that itinerary would end up with such a high $ unless the NH/AC legs played a role in it somehow
Jun 1, 2015, 9:32 am
#3606
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Jun 1, 2015, 10:06 am
#3607
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But from FRA to BKK it was on YQ'ing TG, and inbound TPAC back to YYZ was via HKG on NH and AC. Certainly my itinerary seemed to warrant the $850 ransom, but with your itinerary I also would've expected sub-$600. Something doesn't seem add up right for your award.
Jun 1, 2015, 11:44 am
#3608
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 73
Could you elaborate on that? I am looking to book a similar itinerary YYZ->TATL Europe stop -> SIN (Turnaround) -> Japan stop -> TPC YYZ and had it in my mind to try to avoid NH/AC but by the sounds of it I may not have to? I don't have any status.
Jun 1, 2015, 11:45 am
#3609
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
I find the wording and their application is in contradiction - the rules say you can have 2 stops plus the turnaround, or one open jaw to replace a stop. What they enforce is the open jaw replaces a stop and the turnaround. An easier way of looking at it is that they are allowing a stop in 3 cities. With the open jaw you are trying, you get 4: CDG, MOB (I think you meant BOM), DEL & SIN. Your best option is to increase your time in DEL / BOM, and fly within India on your own dime, returning to that arrival city for departure.
Seems high for 1 NH + 1 AC segment only
Jun 1, 2015, 11:52 am
#3610
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They have been known to calculate based on the entire route YYZ-SIN, but also by segment (YYZ-EUR and EUR-SIN). You never know.
The return should be low YQ - because YQ to/from Asia is not too bad - C$170 for J, lower for HKG, etc.
You can plug in your proposed route into ITA, and after discounting all the non-applicable YQ (like SQ, UA, etc) - you should have a rough idea - but it will come down to calculation based on your point of turn around.
If you manage to get to SIN without incurring scamcharges, then only the return should be charged, and even with NH/AC - thats $170 at the moment for biz.
Jun 1, 2015, 12:21 pm
#3611
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Between DEL and SIN, would DEL not be the POT?
Jun 1, 2015, 12:31 pm
#3612
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Jun 1, 2015, 12:35 pm
#3613
Join Date: Sep 2012
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I managed to run this itinerary through the online multi-city system:
YYZ-ORD-CDG (UA)
CDG-IST-SIN (TK)
SIN-NRT-YYZ (NH/AC)
This route drops the IST-DEL stop, but is pricing at $760.46 CAD, with $473.70 in YQ. infdi must have similar numbers, but added in fees for India.
Further, the YYZ-DEL nonstop on AC prices YQ at $478.
YYZ-ORD-CDG (UA)
CDG-IST-SIN (TK)
SIN-NRT-YYZ (NH/AC)
This route drops the IST-DEL stop, but is pricing at $760.46 CAD, with $473.70 in YQ. infdi must have similar numbers, but added in fees for India.
Code:
U.S. Passenger Safety Fee $7.00 U.S Agriculture Fee $6.20 U.S.A Immigration User Fee $8.70 U.S. Customs User Fee $6.90 Canada Domestic/International Airport Improvement Fee $25.00 Canada Harmonized Sales Tax $3.25 Canada Domestic/International Air Travel Security Charge $25.91 U.S Passenger Facility Charge $5.60 Turkey International Airport Service Charge $6.80 France Domestic & International Airport Tax $28.20 France International Passenger Service Charge $39.70 France Air Passenger Solidarity Tax $61.30 Japan Passenger Facilities Charge $10.60 Narita Passenger Security Service Charge (intl) $5.20 Carrier Surcharge $473.70 Singapore Passenger Service Charge $18.40 Singapore Aviation Levy $5.60 Singapore Passenger Security Service Charge $7.40 Nav Canada - Air Navigation Services $15.00
Last edited by joeags; Jun 1, 2015 at 12:43 pm
Jun 1, 2015, 1:00 pm
#3614
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I managed to run this itinerary through the online multi-city system:
YYZ-ORD-CDG (UA)
CDG-IST-SIN (TK)
SIN-NRT-YYZ (NH/AC)
This route drops the IST-DEL stop, but is pricing at $760.46 CAD, with $473.70 in YQ. infdi must have similar numbers, but added in fees for India..
YYZ-ORD-CDG (UA)
CDG-IST-SIN (TK)
SIN-NRT-YYZ (NH/AC)
This route drops the IST-DEL stop, but is pricing at $760.46 CAD, with $473.70 in YQ. infdi must have similar numbers, but added in fees for India..
They cannot charge this money if there is no scamcharge due in one direction.
The only scamcharge should be for SIN-YYZ, and that is not $473.
If they start charging scamcharges based on roundtrip, even when its not due, that elevates the whole AC scam to a whole new level.
Jun 1, 2015, 3:07 pm
#3615
Join Date: Sep 2014
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Posts: 81
Thank you for your help!