StarAlliance2005

I am assuming JAZZ will be behind the screen, under the radar, it's strictly business on their end , no jazz aircrafts or marketing and i doubt they will use AC ground handling has they do in YUL/YYZ

global happy traveller

i am assuming that either the Skyservice/Thomas Cook contract with AC Jazz will require them to give consideration to existing (now former) Skyservice staff. Or AC Jazz will recieve a few more new job applications..... Union goes, those staff will go under AC Jazz and at the bottom of the seniority list.

Unlike a merger where seniority dates is typically administered separately with 2 union contracts, by merging the hiring dates to a new seniority list or by pegging the merged staff seniority date to the merger date (depending on negotiation); in contracted services staff are at the mercy of the contract wording, the new employer (AC Jazz) or the advocacy role of the former union.

briantoronto

Why would they?

LeSabre74

The Thomas Cook contract with Skyservice wouldn't outlive Skyservice. And given that Jazz is unionized, you'd see hell freeze over before they gave Skyservice staff consideration over their own. Maybe Skyservice staff will go to the top of the application pile, but no more than that.

getaround

So Jazz CRJ captains to B757 Captains? They will have no choice but to go outside Jazz.

naplesyrupeater

Ford Prefect

Under the agreement as other's see it, does this mean that Jazz merely takes over the operation of the flight using TC 757s? I though someone made mention of the Skyservice planes. Since that airline no longer exists, wouldn't it make sense from a Jazz point of view to want their livery on the airplane? Or is the agreement really just an out sourcing strategey to AC Jazz?

Would they stay operating out of T3?

The Lev

If this is the plan, remind me not to fly a Jazz operated 757 in their first year of operations!

My guess is that Jazz has worked out something with their union where in exchange for Jazz pilots having the future opportunity to Captain "real" aircraft (and perhaps right seat from the start), Jazz is allowed to bring in experienced 757 pilots to captain the ships.

AC681

Im sure that this is going to go the same way as it did when the RJs came into the fleet, Experenced training and line indoc crews will be hired to handle the conversion for the exisiting Jazz pilots. The same will happen for the cabin crew.

I'm sure the Q400s will happen the same way, since it's a seperate type raiting for the pilots.

global happy traveller

having worked in similar situations (for another mode of transportation dealing with different classes, contracts etc...), there are typically clauses in the contract to give consideration (as part goodwill)..... once again, its give consideration not assume them....because if Thomas Cook dictates Jazz to hire on, it may be consituted as an 'indirect employer'.... typically its another pile of resumes......

once hired on, those new pilots will be at the bottom of the seniority list, no different from any new pilots.... opportunity may depend on licensing of class, seniority, new internal positions to operate larger aircraft or a combination.

the airline may also create a new class of pilots within the union or have a new union local represent that particular area (757-200) that is reworded to the specific of the contract. reason of doing so, is because if ACJ loses the contract they do not have to assume the pilots into their mainstream operation.

28isGreat

"Needs to be"?? Really? I don't remember any Kelowna Flightcraft livery on the exterior of the Greyhound planes (that Greyhound wet-leased from KF). http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...nct_entry=true confirms that there was no obvious KF livery.

Of course, the rules could have changed since then

(Yes, I really did fly on Greyhound a few times back in the day. I was a starving student, give me a break )

ByrdluvsAWACO

Hmmm. So from what I'm reading, Jazz would be free to partner with AA for intra Canada connections?

briantoronto

This is hazy for me, but I think they got into trouble for not! I am going to try to look this up...

robsaw

I highly doubt it. A contract between two parties that would constrain or limit contracts with 3rd parties would run afoul of competition legislation except where it had directly to do with aircraft or services provided by or for Air Canada, which is not the case here.

robsaw

The name of the operating carrier does need to be on the aircraft and must be the most prominent name if other names are on the aircraft HOWEVER exemptions can and have been made on application to the CTA. Skyservice had several such exemptions with the name of their charter clients on the aircraft tail and elsewhere. Jazz will obviously do the same if flying as Thomas Cook or whomever.