A3 begins charging for advance seat reservations - limited discount for A3*G
#196
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Heraklion, Greece
Posts: 7,566
Valued customers? Only very recently I saw the example of an A3 Gold who only takes the necessary 4 flights to maintain gold and costs A3 lounges, including when (s)he uses the LH lounge at ATH. Yes, I know, all legitimate, etc., but let's not think that all M+B members are valued customers...
#197
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: LON, ATH
Programs: A3*G, BA Gold, OA Gold (in memoriam), Hertz #1 Gold
Posts: 548
Valued customers? Only very recently I saw the example of an A3 Gold who only takes the necessary 4 flights to maintain gold and costs A3 lounges, including when (s)he uses the LH lounge at ATH. Yes, I know, all legitimate, etc., but let's not think that all M+B members are valued customers...
Yes but how many are the "opportunistic" golds? there are fewer people playing the game and manipulating the system than we think
#198
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: ARN
Programs: A3*G, SK*G
Posts: 336
Valued customers? Only very recently I saw the example of an A3 Gold who only takes the necessary 4 flights to maintain gold and costs A3 lounges, including when (s)he uses the LH lounge at ATH. Yes, I know, all legitimate, etc., but let's not think that all M+B members are valued customers...
Exactly. At least those who do care about the recent changes are not the opportunistic ones.
#199
Join Date: May 2003
Location: TLL
Programs: OZ Diamond, BA Gold, Bonvoy Ambassador, HH Gold
Posts: 4,412
Just in case anyone is wondering - paid for seat reservations ATH-JTR (wanted to make sure the group was seated together). Decided to move to an earlier flight that day (with a FLEX ticket) and the paid seat reservations moved with us. Was curious how that was going to work out and was pleasantly surprised.
#200
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Join Date: Aug 2014
Programs: Top Tier with all 3 alliances
Posts: 11,668
All these "enhancements" are likely the effect of A3 becoming the dominant force in Greek aviation, that's why mergers should not be allowed, now you are all going to get "milked"...
#201
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,899
What aspect of the merger do you have issue with? What routes do you think were effected?
#202
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Cyprus
Programs: LH SEN, A3*G, TK*G E+, ALL/Accor Plat
Posts: 644
Last week, I flew from TXL-ATH-LCA on a ticket that had been booked 9 months earlier, while seat reservations had been made some three months earlier. On arrival at Athens, I made my way to the LCA flight and tried to board but was beeped. The agent told me that my seat reservation for upfront seat 5A had been cancelled and I had now been reallocated middle seat 12B. The reason for this is that I had not paid for 5A and the computer had reallocated me another standard seat. The desk agent refused to discuss the matter further and would not allow me to speak to a supervisor - she claimed there was simply nothing they could do to rectify the problem.
I refused to board and they threatened to offload my baggage. I still refused to board and the flight was by then delayed for a few minutes. A supervisor then finally appeared and offered me an emergency exit seat if I agreed to pay the full extra fee. I again refused on the basis that we had a contract about a free upfront window seat - they could offload me and I would sue the airline. Finally, after 10 minutes delay, they offered me a free emergency exit seat.
This sort of behaviour by Aegean staff would simply not have happened before. Fortunately, it will not happen to me again in the near future as my next 60 sectors of intra-European flight are booked on LH-group airlines. I will be rewarding Aegean with a 1/10 review on Skytrax and making sure that A3 pays for every one of the 60 lounge accesses that I make on the LH-group flights. In this case, it will be Aegean that is being milked rather than the other way around.
#203
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Wedged somewhere between BTS and VIE ✈
Programs: Star Alliance Gold (A3 Gold), Oneworld Emerald (BA Gold), Hilton Diamond
Posts: 6,338
Wow, you really like your up front seats, don't you johnirvine?
I'm not one bit happy with the new policy, but I would not make a fuss at the airport. Future spending is the only way that I will make my dissatisfaction known!
I'm not one bit happy with the new policy, but I would not make a fuss at the airport. Future spending is the only way that I will make my dissatisfaction known!
#204
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,899
#205
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Cyprus
Programs: LH SEN, A3*G, TK*G E+, ALL/Accor Plat
Posts: 644
Please see Aegean's FAQ on 'Is my selected seat guaranteed?' Their answer is: 'Your selected seat is GUARANTEED. In the unlikely event of any change due to operational reasons, we will do our best efforts to reallocate you an equivalent seat type with the same characteristics (window.... Up Front....).'
Last edited by johnirvine; Apr 1, 2018 at 2:50 pm
#206
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Cyprus
Programs: LH SEN, A3*G, TK*G E+, ALL/Accor Plat
Posts: 644
I simply do not like being pushed around and treated unacceptably. For sure, A3 will lose considerable revenue as a result of my dissatisfaction.
#207
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: TLV/ATH/LON/EZE/NYC/UIP
Programs: BA*GGL, A3*G, AF*P, VS*S
Posts: 1,011
Nailed on. Matter of principle. Whether or not you actually had a case or would have pursued it, totally right to call their bluff and send a shot across management bows about this kind of shoddy behaviour. I'd have done the exact same thing.
#208
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,899
The correct way would have been to either take the seat offered or pay the fee as per company policy then take your anger out with customer services after who may have chosen to refund you as a good will gesture.
My sympathy is with the gate staff to be honest. There is never a legal gurantee for a window or aisle etc... Try taking it to court if you dont believe me.
#209
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Wedged somewhere between BTS and VIE ✈
Programs: Star Alliance Gold (A3 Gold), Oneworld Emerald (BA Gold), Hilton Diamond
Posts: 6,338
But these agents at the airport are only following instructions and orders. Sure you can make your displeasure known, but I just don't think it's constructive to argue with them while other passengers are waiting. That's my opinion anyway.
I made my dissatisfaction known to Aegean by writing to customer services and that's as far as I will go. Future spending is my greatest form of protest, plus I won't be so keen to recommend Aegean to friends and family. The product is still good, but it's been tarnished by Aegean's new quest to be like all other airlines instead of standing out from them.
I made my dissatisfaction known to Aegean by writing to customer services and that's as far as I will go. Future spending is my greatest form of protest, plus I won't be so keen to recommend Aegean to friends and family. The product is still good, but it's been tarnished by Aegean's new quest to be like all other airlines instead of standing out from them.
#210
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,899
Spot on 100% correct. I dont argue that the passenger is not entitled to be angry but the way that anger was directed and carried out was out of order. A passenger looses credibility when they act like that.