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Originally Posted by
ND Sol
I just noticed that the document received by the Identity Project was part of the same TSA Screening Management SOP that was "redacted" on the web.
From elsewhere:
2009-12-10:
Originally Posted by
ehasbrouck
The Identity Project has posted an analysis of what we think is significant about the Screening Management SOP (including a comparison with the redacted excerpts we obtained earlier under FOIA) and an update on our pending FOIA appeal for the current Screening Management SOP and our other pending FOIA requests for other screening SOPs and related documents:
http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/...ld-procedures/
Originally Posted by
ND Sol
And the TSA said that the SOP requested had not changed from June to November 2009. This should be referring to the same "redacted" SOP, which the TSA has told us has changed six? times since its release, but not one of those changes was during June-November 2009?
TK did some comparison:
Originally Posted by
Trollkiller
Originally Posted by sbm12
The official response I have received from my contact at the TSA is that the version posted was never implemented and there have been six implemented revisions since that time. I've asked a couple follow-up questions. We'll see how far they go or if she starts to simply ignore me at some point.
Ask your contact if this version was never implemented, why the TSA released a portion of this document in response to a FOIA request by papersplease.org
http://www.papersplease.org/wp/wp-co...tsa_id_sop.pdf
http://www.rebelmodel.com/tsa/REDACTED_SOP_NO_SSI.pdf
Compare for yourself.
Originally Posted by
Trollkiller
I just gave the papersplease.org's FOIA copy and the "never issued" copy a thorough comparison. I printed out the papersplease copy and used Adobe Acrobat Professional to read the "never issued" copy aloud. (cool feature) I read along with the papersplease copy and verified every word.
The text is the EXACT same. The only differences between the two is formatting.
When the papersplease FOIA request was processed the clerk copy pasted the relevant text from the master into the SOP template. By using a different font size than the "never issued" copy caused the page breaks to be different. The part of the document that states the Revision number, Date, Implementation date, and Sensitive Security Information is a header. The SSI claim at the bottom is a footer.
This header and footer are part of a generic template used for the Mangement SOP SSI requests for this revision. Note the lack of page numbering on the papersplease copy.
The "never issued" document contains the proper page numbering. If the page numbering was redacted there would have been a black mark on the papersplease copy.
The missing "B" on the papersplease document was due to the clerk missing that paragraph on the initial copy paste. When the clerk corrected for the missing paragraph they failed to include the "B".
As for the difference in redaction, that would be because the people redacting were different and the purpose of the redaction was different. One was in response to a FOIA request and the other was in response to a bid.
I will have to disagree with your source and Blogger Bob's claim that this document was never issued. If by some chance this document was not issued then the revision number would have been different than the one on the papersplease copy.
Originally Posted by
pmocek
Originally Posted by
Trollkiller
I will have to disagree with your source and Blogger Bob's claim that this document was never issued. If by some chance this document was not issued then the revision number would have been different than the one on the papersplease copy.
Nice work, Trollkiller.
To clarify, when Trollkiller refers to "the papersplease copy" he means the
copy that was published on the Web site of the Identity Project.
IDP's Internet domain is papersplease.org. They are part of the
First Amendment Project, a 501(c)(3) non-profit. IDP provides advice, assistance, publicity, and legal defense to those who find their rights infringed, or their legitimate activities curtailed, by demands for identification and build public awareness about the effects of ID requirements on fundamental rights, and are building a central repository of information relating to identity-based domestic security programs.
Also related:
2009-12-11:
Originally Posted by
ehasbrouck
2009-12-15:
Originally Posted by
ehasbrouck
The TSA has
acknowledged the Identity Project FOIA request for additional information about its procedures, but has given itself an extension of time and has denied our request for a waiver of fees on the boilerplate grounds -- clearly inappropriate in this case -- that this information doesn't concern government operations, that disclosure of these procedures isn't likely to contribute significantly to public understanding of government operations or activities, and that the interest of the Identity Project (which the TSA admits is a media organization, and which is a project of a tax-exempt non-profit educational and charitable organization) is primarily commercial.
2009-12-18:
Originally Posted by
ehasbrouck
The identity Project has filed a
follow-up FOIA request for the 12 other SOPs mentioned by Ms. Rossides in her testimony, for all SOPs regardless of number, and for the list and index of all SOPs.