Family Asked To Leave Southwest Flight After Tweet
#256
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Blue Ridge, GA
Posts: 5,519
Talkradio boilerplate is hardly on point. Watson previously tweeted atta-boys praising SWA employees he named - to which the company gratefully responded. He and his two kids already were in their seats.
Contriving a "safety" issue over an unfavorable tweet is harassment.
Contriving a "safety" issue over an unfavorable tweet is harassment.
#257
Join Date: May 2002
Programs: WN F9 HA UA AA IHG HH MR
Posts: 3,305
Not anymore. Family boarding (sic) last night at FNT was after A15 and before the A listers. Why would anyone buy EBCI from this company? Their employees make it worthless. No wonder the cheaters feel empowered.
#258
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: KORL, KFXE, KBCT, MYAM
Programs: Lear 60, C-421, Beech A-36
Posts: 22
I continue to be amazed with the subculture of airline passengers and their relative status, from A listers to gate lice to Kettles.
I don't fly Part 121 very much, maybe enough to justify my PreCheck status.
But the social pecking order of FF programs, from the top all the way down to the Kettles is rather interesting to watch. There is a dynamic set of social mores, rules and customs that any Sociology professor would have a field day studying. It seems many folks define themselves by their standing.
Apparently this guy felt entitled due to his status, and it backfired on all parties.
I don't fly Part 121 very much, maybe enough to justify my PreCheck status.
But the social pecking order of FF programs, from the top all the way down to the Kettles is rather interesting to watch. There is a dynamic set of social mores, rules and customs that any Sociology professor would have a field day studying. It seems many folks define themselves by their standing.
Apparently this guy felt entitled due to his status, and it backfired on all parties.
#259
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 6,286
They guy was entitled due to his status. Entitlement is the primary benefit of loyalty programs. Programs created by companies because they recognize and reward their highest value customers. With entitlement.
He's entitled, by Southwest, with special privileges.
Was he entitled to board his kids with him? Absolutely not. At least according to the letter of the rule. But it's understandable to me why he may have thought he was.
To me, it seems odd to complain about "entitlement," but support the company who creates and grants the entitlement in the first place. If they didn't exist, there there would be no pecking order by with to define ones self.
He's entitled, by Southwest, with special privileges.
Was he entitled to board his kids with him? Absolutely not. At least according to the letter of the rule. But it's understandable to me why he may have thought he was.
To me, it seems odd to complain about "entitlement," but support the company who creates and grants the entitlement in the first place. If they didn't exist, there there would be no pecking order by with to define ones self.
#261
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,975
It's been a few years, but I'm pretty sure that I've seen an Employee say on this board that they would let children too young to board alone board at the parent's A-list position. It may well have happened on previous trips with this pax.
#262
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: BOS/UTH
Programs: AA LT PLT; QR GLD; Bonvoy LT TIT
Posts: 12,789
When an employee wears a nametag in public, then as much of the name as appears on the nametag (first name, first name and surname initial, first initial and surname, etc.) is fair game. If someone wants to be completely anonymous, then s/he shouldn't be in a job which requires the wearing of a nametag.
#263
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Bay Area
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 87
When an employee wears a nametag in public, then as much of the name as appears on the nametag (first name, first name and surname initial, first initial and surname, etc.) is fair game. If someone wants to be completely anonymous, then s/he shouldn't be in a job which requires the wearing of a nametag.
#264
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 537
How do each if you know she was not physically threatened? We have only the passenger's version of the account.
How is her act tantamount to a lie? We have only a one-sided abbreviated version of each person's actions.
Do you believe that the story telling pax was perfectly honest about how he treated the GA and didn't leave anything out?
This may or may not be fine. But, keep in mind the source. If this were a criminal trial, you have just been presented the prosecution's accusations....do you not give the accused an opportunity to refute? (I know the employee isn't going to talk publicly about this, but, I think it reasonable to take the passenger's account with a grain of salt)
How is her act tantamount to a lie? We have only a one-sided abbreviated version of each person's actions.
Do you believe that the story telling pax was perfectly honest about how he treated the GA and didn't leave anything out?
This may or may not be fine. But, keep in mind the source. If this were a criminal trial, you have just been presented the prosecution's accusations....do you not give the accused an opportunity to refute? (I know the employee isn't going to talk publicly about this, but, I think it reasonable to take the passenger's account with a grain of salt)
In any case, while this guy may come off as a bit of an ......, it does not mean what this GA did is all fine and dandy. This tweet poses no threat, any person with common sense can see that. So he publicly named her on tweet. So what? Is some crazed guy gonna suddenly jump down from the terminal ceiling and shoot her in the head? Come on. Just because he may have come across as somewhat of a snob does not mean the GA is entitled to abuse her powers.
Bottom line, in her line of work, she should have known what to expect when she got this job. There will be the occasional .......s and dick passenger. Not all the time thankfully, but you will get some from time-to-time, that is simply the nature of the job. Yes, they are not easy to deal with, and I suspect quite a few GAs or FAs has dreamed of doing exactly what this GA did. But just because you want to do something does not mean you should. That is what separates a mature and responsible adult from a little kid.
I agree with one of the earlier post: Two wrongs don't make a right.
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#265
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: None
Posts: 375
Talkradio boilerplate is hardly on point. Watson previously tweeted atta-boys praising SWA employees he named - to which the company gratefully responded. He and his two kids already were in their seats.
Contriving a "safety" issue over an unfavorable tweet is harassment.
Contriving a "safety" issue over an unfavorable tweet is harassment.
#267
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: CAE/SDF/OBE snowbird
Programs: Up there, Route 36 LaPaz Diamond
Posts: 66
Watson says he’s not satisfied with their response. All three received $50 vouchers, but Watson says he won’t fly Southwest Airlines again.
#268
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 6,286
Southwest later apologized to him, and Gary Kelly, on national TV, called him a "great guy." There's no info about what they may have ultimately given him in compensation (although I suspect they did give him something substantial), but check the date on the tweets posted earlier. He's apparently accepted the aplolgy and is flying Southwest again.
#270
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: ORD/MDW
Programs: AA EXP, DL-Plat, WN-CP | Hotels: Choice-Gld, IHG-Plt, Rad-Gld, HH-Dia, Hyatt-Glob, Marriott-LtPlt
Posts: 2,889
How do each if you know she was not physically threatened? We have only the passenger's version of the account.
.......[snip]......
This may or may not be fine. But, keep in mind the source. If this were a criminal trial, you have just been presented the prosecution's accusations....do you not give the accused an opportunity to refute? (I know the employee isn't going to talk publicly about this, but, I think it reasonable to take the passenger's account with a grain of salt)
.......[snip]......
This may or may not be fine. But, keep in mind the source. If this were a criminal trial, you have just been presented the prosecution's accusations....do you not give the accused an opportunity to refute? (I know the employee isn't going to talk publicly about this, but, I think it reasonable to take the passenger's account with a grain of salt)
In any case, while this guy may come off as a bit of an ......, it does not mean what this GA did is all fine and dandy. This tweet poses no threat, any person with common sense can see that. So he publicly named her on tweet. So what? Is some crazed guy gonna suddenly jump down from the terminal ceiling and shoot her in the head? Come on. Just because he may have come across as somewhat of a snob does not mean the GA is entitled to abuse her powers.
Bottom line, in her line of work, she should have known what to expect when she got this job. There will be the occasional .......s and dick passenger. Not all the time thankfully, but you will get some from time-to-time, that is simply the nature of the job. Yes, they are not easy to deal with, and I suspect quite a few GAs or FAs has dreamed of doing exactly what this GA did. But just because you want to do something does not mean you should. That is what separates a mature and responsible adult from a little kid.
I agree with one of the earlier post: Two wrongs don't make a right.
Bottom line, in her line of work, she should have known what to expect when she got this job. There will be the occasional .......s and dick passenger. Not all the time thankfully, but you will get some from time-to-time, that is simply the nature of the job. Yes, they are not easy to deal with, and I suspect quite a few GAs or FAs has dreamed of doing exactly what this GA did. But just because you want to do something does not mean you should. That is what separates a mature and responsible adult from a little kid.
I agree with one of the earlier post: Two wrongs don't make a right.