New F class layout [merged]
#76
Join Date: Aug 2006
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http://www.lufthansa-technik.com/app...questednode=55
LH Technik has a number of companies (painting, airframe maint, turbine) in SNN. FRA, MUC and HAM are pretty busy... LH is outsourcing maintainance to the OS/LX shops in VIE & ZRH too.
LH Technik has a number of companies (painting, airframe maint, turbine) in SNN. FRA, MUC and HAM are pretty busy... LH is outsourcing maintainance to the OS/LX shops in VIE & ZRH too.
#77
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: ZRH
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#79
Join Date: Apr 2005
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UA has silently introduced their new F product last year - and after six month only two (!!!) planes have the new product... LH won´t start rolling out the new F before the A380 is delivered to them in summer 2009, I am afraid...
#80
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Toronto (YYZ)
Posts: 6,279
Maybe it's a Star Alliance thing.. more than 2 years later and AC is still not finished with their refurbishment of Executive First.
#82
Join Date: Mar 2008
Programs: HON Circle
Posts: 4
I tested new F-Class on board
Hi there,
first of all, after all my passive reading, I decided to join FT and share the experience I had last week.
Despite all the rumors about the new First Class on board several aircraft, collected by various members and their "trustworthy reliable sources" - which in the end did turn out to be incorrect - I've flown FRA-DTW-FRA on LH 442 (the early departure) with an A340-300, registration D-AIGZ.
Before the flight, HON-Circle Linie contacted me to ask, whether or not I would be willing to "test" the new seat. Since I had a full fare F ticket, they could not persuade me with an upgrade from C to F for doing that
Anyway, of course I said yes. Once in the Terminal, the PA told me about the "rules" for this flight. All people board and deboard through door no. 2 L, because the product is top secret and no-one other than crew and First Class Pax are allowed to see it. Cabin is limited to 4 passengers only. We were given seats in row no. 2 (A,D,G or K) which had the old seats. This turns out to be only a "back-up", if the new seat breaks down or is unsafe for take off and landing. The crew on board would assign us to the new seats.
When I arrived on board after my S-Class ride, I was greeted by the nice P2 who brought me to my seat. First Class Cabin has 4 new seats, 4 old seats. New seats are in row 1, old seats, as I previously stated, in row 2. (I was given a window seat - I don't give you the exact no. as well as not the exact date of the flight. why? you'll see later )
When I settled down and started exploring the new seat, in the meantime with a glass of bubbly at hand , a person from TNS (a german survey company) approached me. These guys are also in charge of surveys in the F Terminal, that LH does once in a while. She immediately gave me a paper I had to sign, saying that I am not allowed to take pictures of the cabin, nor speak to the press or LH rivals about this new product in detail. Thats the reason why I am so strict about my exact itinerary and so on....
So...how is the new seat? - Simply...great! Of course, it's a test version, so the color scheme wasn't final and they are changing some stuff because of the results of these test flights. Anyway, I LOVE IT. It's a matter of taste, but it's very classy, very comfortable and high quality.
When converted to a bed, you have a lot of space (especially width). The crew folds a real white mattress (about 3-4 cm thick) on your seat, you are given a fluffy biiig pillow and a REAL cover. The test seat has electrically adjustable privacy screens, that sort of make a suite out of the whole thing. Nonetheless the seat feels airy and elegant. Much better that those horrible EK suites, that I don't like at all.
The TV is about twice the size of the one in C-Class and it's gonna become even bigger according to the P2, who was specially instructed (like the FA working in the cabin) about the new seat.
One last thing: LH is gonna keep the lovely First-Class rose There is, again, a vase integrated into the seat - this time made of porcelain
At the end of the flight, and after various detailled interviews conducted by the TNS lady - and one technical fix by a flyalong of the company that produces the seat "CONTOUR", we were given a present (leather ticket holder) with a "thank you" note for taking part in this test.
So, I hope this info was interesting for you. Can't wait to see the seat rolled out on the whole fleet...sadly, tomorrow, I have to travel on the old seat to asia
HON-ExclusiveCGN
P.S. the test continues until 21st of April or so. Only on D-AIGZ and LH 442. So if any you guys travel to DTW on the late flight LH 486...you might consider changing
P.P.S. On the outbound day flight I slept around 4 hours, where I usually never sleep at all. And on the outbound flight I slept around 6 hours!! Felt like my bed at home - now we are talking about comfort. I am a fan
first of all, after all my passive reading, I decided to join FT and share the experience I had last week.
Despite all the rumors about the new First Class on board several aircraft, collected by various members and their "trustworthy reliable sources" - which in the end did turn out to be incorrect - I've flown FRA-DTW-FRA on LH 442 (the early departure) with an A340-300, registration D-AIGZ.
Before the flight, HON-Circle Linie contacted me to ask, whether or not I would be willing to "test" the new seat. Since I had a full fare F ticket, they could not persuade me with an upgrade from C to F for doing that
Anyway, of course I said yes. Once in the Terminal, the PA told me about the "rules" for this flight. All people board and deboard through door no. 2 L, because the product is top secret and no-one other than crew and First Class Pax are allowed to see it. Cabin is limited to 4 passengers only. We were given seats in row no. 2 (A,D,G or K) which had the old seats. This turns out to be only a "back-up", if the new seat breaks down or is unsafe for take off and landing. The crew on board would assign us to the new seats.
When I arrived on board after my S-Class ride, I was greeted by the nice P2 who brought me to my seat. First Class Cabin has 4 new seats, 4 old seats. New seats are in row 1, old seats, as I previously stated, in row 2. (I was given a window seat - I don't give you the exact no. as well as not the exact date of the flight. why? you'll see later )
When I settled down and started exploring the new seat, in the meantime with a glass of bubbly at hand , a person from TNS (a german survey company) approached me. These guys are also in charge of surveys in the F Terminal, that LH does once in a while. She immediately gave me a paper I had to sign, saying that I am not allowed to take pictures of the cabin, nor speak to the press or LH rivals about this new product in detail. Thats the reason why I am so strict about my exact itinerary and so on....
So...how is the new seat? - Simply...great! Of course, it's a test version, so the color scheme wasn't final and they are changing some stuff because of the results of these test flights. Anyway, I LOVE IT. It's a matter of taste, but it's very classy, very comfortable and high quality.
When converted to a bed, you have a lot of space (especially width). The crew folds a real white mattress (about 3-4 cm thick) on your seat, you are given a fluffy biiig pillow and a REAL cover. The test seat has electrically adjustable privacy screens, that sort of make a suite out of the whole thing. Nonetheless the seat feels airy and elegant. Much better that those horrible EK suites, that I don't like at all.
The TV is about twice the size of the one in C-Class and it's gonna become even bigger according to the P2, who was specially instructed (like the FA working in the cabin) about the new seat.
One last thing: LH is gonna keep the lovely First-Class rose There is, again, a vase integrated into the seat - this time made of porcelain
At the end of the flight, and after various detailled interviews conducted by the TNS lady - and one technical fix by a flyalong of the company that produces the seat "CONTOUR", we were given a present (leather ticket holder) with a "thank you" note for taking part in this test.
So, I hope this info was interesting for you. Can't wait to see the seat rolled out on the whole fleet...sadly, tomorrow, I have to travel on the old seat to asia
HON-ExclusiveCGN
P.S. the test continues until 21st of April or so. Only on D-AIGZ and LH 442. So if any you guys travel to DTW on the late flight LH 486...you might consider changing
P.P.S. On the outbound day flight I slept around 4 hours, where I usually never sleep at all. And on the outbound flight I slept around 6 hours!! Felt like my bed at home - now we are talking about comfort. I am a fan
Last edited by HON-ExclusiveCGN; Mar 31, 2008 at 8:44 am
#84
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: Hyatt Lifetime Globalist, SQ PPS Solitaire
Posts: 3,599
Well done, HON-ExclusiveCGN ^
The new F Class - thank god you have posted this before April 1st
HON-ExclusiveCGN, if you look at new F products (like UA and CX) - how close is the new seat to those?
It was said that the Airbus would only have six seats - three per row. Do you have an indication whether they will stick to four seats per row or whether this was only for testing purposes?
The new F Class - thank god you have posted this before April 1st
HON-ExclusiveCGN, if you look at new F products (like UA and CX) - how close is the new seat to those?
It was said that the Airbus would only have six seats - three per row. Do you have an indication whether they will stick to four seats per row or whether this was only for testing purposes?
#86
Join Date: May 2005
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#87
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Thank you for the report, HON-ExclusiveCGN. Your observations are perfectly in line with the information that circled around at the Berlinflyer birthday Do at NYC. It's good news that LH seems to be keeping the 1-2-1 configuration while enhancing the product regarding space, privacy and sleeping comfort.
#89
Join Date: Mar 2008
Programs: HON Circle
Posts: 4
@SMK77,
I don't see Airbus having only 3 per row. The configuration on board that particluar A343 was perfect. 1-2-1. Good for couples, good for the average, privacy seeking business traveller.
And regarding your question concerning the CX or UA seat, I would say it's "different". I am personally not a big fan of these seats that are kinda "built into each other" (CX) - if you know what I mean. I like a seat that has it's own space around it. Don't want the feet of the person siting behing me next to my face - well, kind of So LH truly hit my sense of style.
In the end, I personally need a comfy bed, a big table, a nice tv screen and enough privacy without the look of being claustrophobic. The new F has all of that
@Chumbawumba: As stated, I wasn't officially allowed to take pictures. So I didn't. They even collected the Seat Information brochure (that they handed out before take off) right before landing, and locked it away on board - so that catering can't offload it, and the return crew has it again. Really top secret. They also closed the blue curtains to business class while boarding. A thing they usually never do on the ground
I don't see Airbus having only 3 per row. The configuration on board that particluar A343 was perfect. 1-2-1. Good for couples, good for the average, privacy seeking business traveller.
And regarding your question concerning the CX or UA seat, I would say it's "different". I am personally not a big fan of these seats that are kinda "built into each other" (CX) - if you know what I mean. I like a seat that has it's own space around it. Don't want the feet of the person siting behing me next to my face - well, kind of So LH truly hit my sense of style.
In the end, I personally need a comfy bed, a big table, a nice tv screen and enough privacy without the look of being claustrophobic. The new F has all of that
@Chumbawumba: As stated, I wasn't officially allowed to take pictures. So I didn't. They even collected the Seat Information brochure (that they handed out before take off) right before landing, and locked it away on board - so that catering can't offload it, and the return crew has it again. Really top secret. They also closed the blue curtains to business class while boarding. A thing they usually never do on the ground
#90
Join Date: Nov 2007
Programs: LH*G, FB*G, IC *free minibar*, SLH, RC 5C-Club, LHW, and a lot of others
Posts: 536
@SMK77,
And regarding your question concerning the CX or UA seat, I would say it's "different". I am personally not a big fan of these seats that are kinda "built into each other" (CX) - if you know what I mean. I like a seat that has it's own space around it. Don't want the feet of the person siting behing me next to my face - well, kind of So LH truly hit my sense of style.
And regarding your question concerning the CX or UA seat, I would say it's "different". I am personally not a big fan of these seats that are kinda "built into each other" (CX) - if you know what I mean. I like a seat that has it's own space around it. Don't want the feet of the person siting behing me next to my face - well, kind of So LH truly hit my sense of style.
can you compare the seat with the new SQ First Class seat? Which airlines seat comes close to it?
thx