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honeytoes,
based on my past experience with the t.s.a. it will do no good writting and expecting a reply. and i deal with the t.s.a. everyday as a ground security coordinator. my daughter was a cheerleader in high school last year and her group was invited to attend a competition in orlando over spring break. the 13 girls and 3 boys along with 12 parents and school teachers accompanied them on the trip. -i- had checked them all in at our ticket counter and none of them including the parents were selectees. as the girls were going thru the "machine" every single one of the girls were told to enter the "coral" after passing thru and none of them alarmed. being a parent i noticed that most of the screeners were looking at the group as they entered the que and im sure they hoped that they would get into their lane. i went up to a supr and asked him why every girl was selected and he gave me a s#$t grinning smile and said they were random(he did not know at that point my daughter was in the group), at that point i came unglued to the point i asked a l.e.o. and another t.s.a. supr to come over as i could not believe what was going on. the cop rolled his eyes at both suprs and basically called them out as full time pervs and part time screeners. the second tsa supr appologized and said it should have never been done but at that point they were in the "pin" and he was not going to let them go and just deal with it. again no one in the group had alarmed going thru. as the parents,t.s.a. suprs,l.e.o. and i watched. it was borderline at best when it came to the pat down and i could tell that the 2nd supr was even starting to look embarassed in the procedure. never once did he step in to stop the "percieved" groping. 3 parents wrote in and the l.e.o. noted it on his daily report. no one ever contacted the parents from the t.s.a. and i knew that they would not be getting a reply but im convinced that the t.s.a. has a large group of perverts that work out of a certain airport on the west coast.

Spiff

A nice, long prison sentence would be appropriate as well for someone who chose to go above and beyond the disgusting, un-American harassment that the job they chose to do calls for.

Superguy

What? No deportation to North Korea?

studentff

It's a tad-bit conspiracy-theory-ish, but IMO TSA's intolerance for expired IDs derives from the government's deep-seated mentality that traveling by air is a privilege to be granted or denied by the government.

Take drivers licenses (DLs) for example, which are a privilege. The logical, historical, real reason for an expiration date on your DL (prior to post-9/11 hysteria, RealID mess, etc.) is that there is a substantial chance an individual may develop a vision or other physical impairment that prevents them from driving safely. Forcing people to show up every few years and prove that they aren't blind (and at least appear physically able or agree to use mobility-aids as needed) makes sense. Some states handle this differently than others, but it's the basic idea. (i.e., I think AZ licenses first expire when you turn 65, so I guess they think you're likely OK until then.)

Or take military dependent IDs as another example. The privileges granted by that ID are not necessarily indefinite (e.g., when I turned 23 I lost my dependent's privileges and ID), so it makes sense that these IDs expire.

On the other hand, a native-born citizen's right to work in the USA needs no expiration, and all that is required to get a (legal) job is a birth cert and a social security card, neither of which expire. (again, think prior to post-9/11 hysteria.)

Indefinite-expiration IDs would essentially take away the option of the feds/TSA to outright take away your ability to travel by air in the future. I personally think they want to reserve this capability and that they are in fact very interested in using this capability in the future. When you re-apply for your ID every few years, they can run a background check, credit check, watchlist check, etc., and determine if you are "worthy" of the "privilege" of unrestricted domestic travel. As the population gets more used to ID checks at various places, they can grant and deny more "privileges" based on these IDs, and even institute multi-tiered IDs. (e.g., OK to work, OK Amtrak, but no-fly)

Spiff

Ya know, a long stretch for a known TSA employee in the pokey might actually be worse than a one-way trip to Pyongyang... @:-)

Spiff

Because there's a power differential.

The TSA employee can harass and it seems sexually assault a 'difficult' passenger, but the passenger has no such recourse or any other credible recourse against a 'difficult' TSA employee. @:-)

If the passenger could take the 'difficult' employee out into the parking lot for a little 'customer service retraining/attitude adjustment', then you might have a valid point.

Spiff

Well, if the Communist Party took over every restaurant in the country and its busboys and busgals treated all the customers to un-American harassment everytime a customer came in for a meal, then I'd say those employees are lucky if all they get is bristled and growled at.

Food for thought. @:-)

Superguy

True. Remember the woman that grabbed a female TSO's boobs during secondary and said "So how do you like it when it's done to you?" I believe she was convicted, though I can't remember the sentence.

Superguy

What about a one way trip to FNJ for a long stretch in the pokey?

Iworkhere

Can you give me some links, I could fill out a few applications today.

HeHateY

Especially Philadelphia with its easy rail connections to both BWI and EWR airport! (Not that those are any better, TSA-wise )

Spiff

That would do nicely. Having to spend the flight locked in an overflowing lav would be a plus.

dd992emo

http://www.hotdogonastick.com/ Cool hats!

http://www.hooters.com/ May be some stringent requirements.

But there is always....

http://wwww.monster.com

sbm12

They sure don't make it easy to track down the guy. I just spent ~45 minutes on the phone trying to find someone at the TSA or the airport who would give me any information about the FSD for PHL. A bit of perserverence pays off, it would seem...

According to his "call screener" the FSD is I also got her name and phone number and will PM it to the OP so that she can attempt to get additional contact information directly. Even though the OP has the FSD's name and number already (from an earlier post ~10am today), this additional contact point might help.

They sure are suspicious of someone calling and asking for that information, which is surprising considering that they seem to have press releases half the time a new one is appointed. Go figure

S.

Lonely Flyer

I will not admit if I could do that on queue.

Not being a US citizen I would not raise any fuss. I love your country and would not want to risk being tagged as a threat.

Yet if I was a US male could I announce loudly "I am Gay" and whilst pointing to the biggest and meanest looking male TSO say " I want that gay guy to do it".

Secret message:

Mod please delete if this is politically incorrect for you in USA only I have some good friends who are gay and I know some of the s**t they have to endure but they would find this funny