Jul 17, 2014, 9:40 am
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Malaysia Airlines MH 17 crash in Ukraine (17 July 2014 - PLEASE READ WIKI, FAQ)
Jul 17, 2014, 11:11 am
#256
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One has to remember this was the airline that, within the last 20 years, was sending their a/c on long-haul flights with minimal (as in below acceptable) fuel reserves to save money.
Jul 17, 2014, 11:12 am
#258
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It is reported that the plane "disappeared" from radar screens. How can that be possible, unless it was blown into a million little pieces at once? The photos of the crash scene indicate that there was a least one piece large enough to be detected by radar. Does the reference to "radar" really not mean actual radar, but instead signals from a transponder?
Jul 17, 2014, 11:12 am
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Hello folks...
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A large number of posts have been deleted for being strictly OMNI-esque and/or disrespectful to victims' families and/or argumentative and/or criticizing inappropriate posts.
Please take all political and speculative comments to the existing thread in the OMNI/PR forum.
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Jul 17, 2014, 11:13 am
#261
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the US did not retaliate militarily against the USSR when the South Korean airlines was shot down.... so there will be no military actions. However, there will obviously be severe sanctions against Russian or Ukraine, whichever is responsible. (or both)
Jul 17, 2014, 11:13 am
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Only responsible states can design and build these things; plenty of irresponsible players can seize and use them.
Only responsible states can design and build these things; plenty of irresponsible players can seize and use them.
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Jul 17, 2014, 11:15 am
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Jul 17, 2014, 11:15 am
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Jul 17, 2014, 11:15 am
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My thoughts and prayers go out to all family, friends, loved ones of all passengers & crew aboard flight, along with all the people effected by this tragic event today. From employees of MH, aviation industry, our close knit community on FT here, everyone.
Just a terrible day overall for humanity, and our FT community shares in the sorrow felt by all directly, or indirectly involved in this tragedy.
Shame on ANY reputable news agency to be showing, in such detail, any pictures or videos of bodies from the crash site. Very disrespectful IMO.
Just a terrible day overall for humanity, and our FT community shares in the sorrow felt by all directly, or indirectly involved in this tragedy.
Shame on ANY reputable news agency to be showing, in such detail, any pictures or videos of bodies from the crash site. Very disrespectful IMO.
Jul 17, 2014, 11:16 am
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"heute", the evening news of german public channel ZDF just reported live by their Moscow correspondent that there was probably a second plane flying parallely to MH17, an ukraine military transport aircraft, and this should possibly have been targeted by the ground to air rocket.
Jul 17, 2014, 11:16 am
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Jul 17, 2014, 11:18 am
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Yes, this and the twitter photos are showing the human side of this story. It's so very sad. That could have been any of us aviation lovers.
Jul 17, 2014, 11:18 am
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I couldn't imagine being MH flight crew right now, not only from losing people you've seen regularly and worked with but also wondering what comes next with your job.