xONEx max. 16 segments (speculation)
Jul 2, 2007, 8:20 am
#91
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 2,637
Not true - you can make the relevant coupons open and then make them out to the city code. I have done this previously when not sure, for example, whether I could confirm a flight LHR-IAD but knew that I had a confirmed reservation LHR-BWI as backup. When ticketed I got an open coupon LHR-WAS which could be used either way.
Jul 2, 2007, 8:59 am
#92
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Would like to get a copy of the IATA ticketing handbook, although that probably just says what you have to do, and not why that's the case.
Jul 2, 2007, 9:07 am
#93
Join Date: Jun 2004
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I'm going from memory here but I see no reason for PER-xNRT-LHR not to be a valid connection under that particular rule. In fact, the connection does not even have to be a sinlge one; it can be two or even three connections, as long as there are no stopovers involved and one is willing to spend the segments. This was tested about a two years ago, IIRC, and was found to be acceptable.
Jul 2, 2007, 10:51 am
#94
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RTW desk uncertain on existing tickets
I just booked a re-issue of an outstanding DONE4 (now a DONE5) that has a surface segment remaining, and the AA RTW desk didn't know if the new segment rule applied to existing PNRs or not. A supervisor went ahead and okayed it but since I have to go to the airport for a paper ticket reissue (something about them not being able to see an image of the ticket) I fear the final chapter may not yet be writ.
Jul 3, 2007, 3:45 pm
#96
Join Date: Aug 2004
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With handwritten paper tickets I can understand it. If in a 4-coupon book you fly JFK-LAX//SFO-JFK, the all four airports need to be written out, with a voided coupon for the LAX//SFO surface segment. This isn't the case with printed paper tickets, and the DONE4 paper tickets we have (that are now printed, thanks to a recent reissue) have no skipped coupon or stock control numbers for the surface segments.
Would like to get a copy of the IATA ticketing handbook, although that probably just says what you have to do, and not why that's the case.
Would like to get a copy of the IATA ticketing handbook, although that probably just says what you have to do, and not why that's the case.
Jul 3, 2007, 9:15 pm
#97
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Here's a summary of this set of fare changes as now published on cxagents.com. The spreadsheet versions of the rules have not been updated yet. I will upload them as usual when they have been.
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oneworld Fare Conditions Revise
Please be advised that oneworld Fare Conditions will be revised with immediate effect.
1. Oneworld Explorer Fare (Rule 3015)
* para 00/04 – wording revise to reflect surface segments included in max 20 sectors
* para 04 Removal of AA affiliate Regions Air due no operations
* para 05 – Business RBD exception for LA IPC-SCL
* para 18 – Change endorsement wording to fit ticket field
2. Global Explorer Fare (Rule 9701)
* para 00/04 – wording revise to reflect surface segments included in max 20 sectors
* para 04 - Removal of AA affiliate Regions Air due no operations
* para 05 – Business RBD exception for LA IPC-SCL
* para 18 – Change endorsement wording to fit ticket field
3. Oneworld Circle Trip Explorer Fare (Rule 3030)
* para 01/04 – wording revise to reflect surface segments included in max 20 sectors
4. Oneworld Circle Asia/SWP Explorer Fare (Rule 3040)
* para 16 Rebooking/Rerouting penalty (USD125.00) for changes post flight departure – No Show.
5. Oneworld Circle Pacific Explorer Fare (Rule 7889)
* para 00 Wording change to reflect surface segments included in max 20 sectors
* para 04 Removal of AA’s Regionsair – Nil operations
* para 05 Business RBD exception for LA IPC–SCL
* para 16 Rebooking/Rerouting penalty (USD125.00) for changes post flight departure – No Show.
* para 18 Change to Endorsement wording to fit ticket field
Jul 3, 2007, 10:10 pm
#98
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Location: MEL
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From a QF customer service rep.
'As per your request, clarifying the rules of the 4 continent Oneworld Explorer fare. LHR and LGW are considered London and as one city, just as JFK and LGA is New York and not considered a ground segment.'
'The new rules that have been introduced in relation to the number of segments permitted is unrelated to e-ticketing. At the moment the maximum number of segments that can be issued on an e-ticket is 16. As you have 20 segments, you will have a paper ticket.'
I needed to do a little bit of messing about to get my itinerary to fit but am still getting over 52k miles so pretty happy with that.
Good luck to those who are trying to re-jig.
'As per your request, clarifying the rules of the 4 continent Oneworld Explorer fare. LHR and LGW are considered London and as one city, just as JFK and LGA is New York and not considered a ground segment.'
'The new rules that have been introduced in relation to the number of segments permitted is unrelated to e-ticketing. At the moment the maximum number of segments that can be issued on an e-ticket is 16. As you have 20 segments, you will have a paper ticket.'
I needed to do a little bit of messing about to get my itinerary to fit but am still getting over 52k miles so pretty happy with that.
Good luck to those who are trying to re-jig.
Jul 4, 2007, 6:12 am
#99
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Any significance in 'at the moment'?
Jul 4, 2007, 7:37 am
#100
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Perhaps getting closer to this choice.
Jul 6, 2007, 6:00 am
#101
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Just means you have to be more creative i guess, i'll now be flying LHR-JHB and then jumping a cheap flight/train to Capetown thereby saving a segment (which i will be using longhaul)
Jul 6, 2007, 8:49 am
#103
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LAX
Posts: 3,639
I was wondering what all the fuss was about because i have only just started using the OW planner this last week - i was confused that having a flight from Capetown to HKG was classed as 2 segments bc i dont have any option but to go via Jo'Burg but i just thought it was part of the rules.
Just means you have to be more creative i guess, i'll now be flying LHR-JHB and then jumping a cheap flight/train to Capetown thereby saving a segment (which i will be using longhaul)
Just means you have to be more creative i guess, i'll now be flying LHR-JHB and then jumping a cheap flight/train to Capetown thereby saving a segment (which i will be using longhaul)
Jul 6, 2007, 8:55 am
#104
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LAX
Posts: 3,639
From a QF customer service rep.
'As per your request, clarifying the rules of the 4 continent Oneworld Explorer fare. LHR and LGW are considered London and as one city, just as JFK and LGA is New York and not considered a ground segment.'
'The new rules that have been introduced in relation to the number of segments permitted is unrelated to e-ticketing. At the moment the maximum number of segments that can be issued on an e-ticket is 16. As you have 20 segments, you will have a paper ticket.'
I needed to do a little bit of messing about to get my itinerary to fit but am still getting over 52k miles so pretty happy with that.
Good luck to those who are trying to re-jig.
'As per your request, clarifying the rules of the 4 continent Oneworld Explorer fare. LHR and LGW are considered London and as one city, just as JFK and LGA is New York and not considered a ground segment.'
'The new rules that have been introduced in relation to the number of segments permitted is unrelated to e-ticketing. At the moment the maximum number of segments that can be issued on an e-ticket is 16. As you have 20 segments, you will have a paper ticket.'
I needed to do a little bit of messing about to get my itinerary to fit but am still getting over 52k miles so pretty happy with that.
Good luck to those who are trying to re-jig.
Jul 6, 2007, 10:31 pm
#105
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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By definition there is no surface segment between co-terminals. What is less clear (at least to me) is if this is a move to count all coupons once e-tickets become compulsory, and whether using co-terminals requires an extra coupon.