Dogs allowed in the First Class Terminal. Seriously?
Aug 24, 2013, 9:19 am
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That is the very problem with animal lovers, they just cannot fathom it. Emotionally, I just don't get it why not everyone loves to be greeted by my flock of parakeets. They love people, they interact with people, quickly remove all the buttons from our shirt only to bring you back the neatly cut off buttons, then they will redesign your hairstyle and ... yes .. once they re finished they will briefly poop on you. But just once and it can easily be removed with the special sheets our house has about 30 dispensers for.
Who could resist such a nice treatment? But still there are people who don't like it. They prefer their buttons and manure-free shirts over the temporary love of a small parrot. It is their choice and not mine to make.
The threshold for "well behaved" is MUCH higher for the animal lover than for the average person and hence not a standard at all.
Do you ride Y often? My last 4 coach longhauls were all >100% full. Upon boarding competed, several passengers asked to be reseated for all kind of reasons. In all of the a cases the FAs promised to "look at it after take off" and in none of the cases anyone was reseated.
You don't interact with a human, you interact with an animal lover, this can per definition not happen on "common sense" because one sees a filthy drooling slug which wants to infect all food in the room and the other one believes he's giving the returned Messiah a walk through his lowly Earthy realms. Turning away his son-of god-on-a-leash at the lounge will only strengthen his belligerent spirits.
Who could resist such a nice treatment? But still there are people who don't like it. They prefer their buttons and manure-free shirts over the temporary love of a small parrot. It is their choice and not mine to make.
If it's in F, you should have enough personal space to where it doesn't affect you in the slightest (assuming it's well-behaved).
If it's in C/Y, just ring the call button and say you don't like/are allergic to/cook and serve/etc dogs and they'll re-seat you most likely and somebody who has bigger problems to deal with will take your seat. Somebody might even prefer the company of a dog...
The FCT is huge. Unless they're allowing the dog to walk along the table and sample the buffet, why can't you just sit somewhere else if you see a dog, or if they come sit near you, politely ask them to find other seats because you don't like/are allergic to/cook and serve/etc dogs? Basic human interaction isn't difficult...
Perhaps you had a particularly bad experience in the past, but I think if you gave them a chance, you'd find many other pet owners (and people in general) far more understanding and considerate of others than what your post leads me to believe about you.
Aug 24, 2013, 9:28 am
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But heck yes, they should be checked in!
LX robbed our window in the window seat as a lady had to bring aboard a giant paining which blocked the window of about 4 rows. Protesting was in vain as the crew did not know where else to store it. I contemplated revenge by diffusing the rest of my pasta into it but then restrained myself.
Fortunately someone else did what I had planned so we all had a good laugh at the expense of the selfish passenger.
Aug 24, 2013, 9:45 am
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What a bunch of whining about nothing..... When people travel they need or like to bring a lot of things, children and animals included.
When you travel you are likely to encounter all of these things. Premium class doesn't make you immune to this. And if you don't like it, tough....better stay at home.
Complain about the behaviour if someone (or something) misbehaves, but not about encountering a child or dog in a "public" place. The things that bother me most in lounges are neither animals or children.....
When you travel you are likely to encounter all of these things. Premium class doesn't make you immune to this. And if you don't like it, tough....better stay at home.
Complain about the behaviour if someone (or something) misbehaves, but not about encountering a child or dog in a "public" place. The things that bother me most in lounges are neither animals or children.....
Aug 24, 2013, 10:35 am
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aahh... its been a while since we had a 'dog in F' thread... 
This one is my favorite (a man with two pitbull-rottweiler mix dogs as support animals):
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...xperience.html
This one is my favorite (a man with two pitbull-rottweiler mix dogs as support animals):
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...xperience.html
Seriously- with all the stories of dogs in F/C/Y/lounge/terminal/checkin etc- has anyone had a story where the animal actually bothered them/bit them/harassed them? If not- why would we even suggest putting the animals in the hold? I would rather start with a few of the "exclusiv managers" who seem to forget a volume control as they talk on their phones about how they are soon to be masters of the universe
Aug 24, 2013, 2:33 pm
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But heck yes, they should be checked in!
LX robbed our window in the window seat as a lady had to bring aboard a giant paining which blocked the window of about 4 rows. Protesting was in vain as the crew did not know where else to store it. I contemplated revenge by diffusing the rest of my pasta into it but then restrained myself.
Fortunately someone else did what I had planned so we all had a good laugh at the expense of the selfish passenger.
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Aug 24, 2013, 6:01 pm
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Yes, we are always welcomed in the FCT on our way to/from international dog shows. The staff recently even asked to pose with our European champion. Our dogs are silent and always remain in their travel kennels. They are trained and obediant, unlike some children! If you sat next to me while I enjoyed my chilled Gruner Veltliner, you would never see my schnauzer. They are bathed and do not express a body odor...which cannot be said of some of my European bretheren!
This issue, I suppose will never be resolved. But, the FCT staff told me, "We are Germans and love dogs." And yes, they do.
This issue, I suppose will never be resolved. But, the FCT staff told me, "We are Germans and love dogs." And yes, they do.
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Aug 24, 2013, 7:13 pm
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No matter how well behaved your doggie is, it doesn't meet the standards in allergies and hygiene of others. Get over it dog owners, your clean dog is still mighty filthy for a food environment.
Like my mini parrots they belong into a cage/kennel/box/crate while on the plane. It's simple common sense and not a great oppression to the owner and the animal.
That is of course complete hogwash, there are boundaries for all of us and in the age of no-common-sense, the rules of interaction need to be enforced.
The young couple who fornicates in the galley is rightfully interrupted even though they think they are really clean and just doing a natural thing. The owner of the kids that runs up and down the galley is rightfully reminded, the Japanese artists who watches porn without headphones is rightfully told off, and the owner of the cleanest dog on Earth is rightfully asked to keep it in the kennel.
I see no issues here.
Aug 24, 2013, 9:07 pm
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My overall opinion is that while there are a great many things that may annoy us while traveling, there are far better things to worry about in life than other people's pets, children, and belongings. The tone, content, and approach of your posts led me to believe you felt differently. I apologize if I read them incorrectly.
I'm not the one who was contemplating intentionally dumping my meal on someone else's painting.
Aug 24, 2013, 9:16 pm
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+1 I've noticed that Germany is a very dog-friendly place. Almost as dog-friendly as NYC. I happen to be a cat person, but as long as the pooch is well-behaved, I have no problem with a dog in a shop . . . or the FCT.
Aug 24, 2013, 9:59 pm
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In the German language area it is totally common to bring dogs to restaurants and similar establishments. Most will even offer free water to dogs (even if humans have to pay), some places even supply free dog food (and I've seen dog food on some other menus).
I like this relaxed approach, and I don't see why dogs shouldn't be allowed to lounges.
Some cities offer annual dog passes for public transport, whereas others include a dog for free on annual passes for humans. In Vienna there was a lady who held a pot-bellied pig as her pet of choice, and she took it on the tram all the time.
One tram-driver denied her once, which made bad vibes all over. An internal order was issued: "That pig is a dog."
Ah, the wonderful "allergies" argument! The University of Vienna once tested their classrooms, which had never seen a single cat, for cat cells, and they found plenty of them. So there will be dog cells in the air if the person at the next table has a dog, whether the dog is under their table or not. Same for cats.
I like this relaxed approach, and I don't see why dogs shouldn't be allowed to lounges.
Some cities offer annual dog passes for public transport, whereas others include a dog for free on annual passes for humans. In Vienna there was a lady who held a pot-bellied pig as her pet of choice, and she took it on the tram all the time.
One tram-driver denied her once, which made bad vibes all over. An internal order was issued: "That pig is a dog."
Ah, the wonderful "allergies" argument! The University of Vienna once tested their classrooms, which had never seen a single cat, for cat cells, and they found plenty of them. So there will be dog cells in the air if the person at the next table has a dog, whether the dog is under their table or not. Same for cats.
Aug 25, 2013, 12:19 am
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Aug 25, 2013, 12:22 am
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Clearly you have not had a discussion with weero before. In any such discussion, work from the basis that there is no alternative viewpoint
Clearly, this discussion mirrors the differing valuation of animals: some see chattel to be housed in pens, while others see companions worthy of better treatment.
Personally, over the years I've come to the conclusion that some of the behaviours/actions exhibited by my fellow passengers are far more objectionable, than is the smell of my dog;-)
Clearly, this discussion mirrors the differing valuation of animals: some see chattel to be housed in pens, while others see companions worthy of better treatment.
Personally, over the years I've come to the conclusion that some of the behaviours/actions exhibited by my fellow passengers are far more objectionable, than is the smell of my dog;-)
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Aug 25, 2013, 2:39 am
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Aug 26, 2013, 3:22 am
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My overall opinion is that while there are a great many things that may annoy us while traveling, there are far better things to worry about in life than other people's pets, children, and belongings. The tone, content, and approach of your posts led me to believe you felt differently. I apologize if I read them incorrectly.
I'm not the one who was contemplating intentionally dumping my meal on someone else's painting.
A fellow pax obviously did not have the same inhibition. And these days, I'd probably have a lot more courage and belligerence to fend off such an act off before it'd ruin my flight.
Aug 26, 2013, 3:45 am
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Depends on the breed of owner
I stopped visiting a cafe near my home because it seems to attract inconsiderate dog-owners who regularly allow their pets to climb all over the furniture and allow their kids to tempt the dogs with "treats" which causes the dogs to yap for attention.
My favorite pub, on the other hand seems to attract a different breed of dog owner. They seem to encourage their dogs to find a quiet spot and sleep or sit while their owners enjoy a pint. I have no problems with this breed of owner.
My favorite pub, on the other hand seems to attract a different breed of dog owner. They seem to encourage their dogs to find a quiet spot and sleep or sit while their owners enjoy a pint. I have no problems with this breed of owner.