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SEE NEW THREAD - 50K AA Cards


As of Sunday August 25, 2013:
Reports indicate personal cards can no longer be rapidly churned.

Click HERE to review the previous thread on this topic.

Recommended Application Procedure:
Clear cache and cookies prior to applying or use an incognito or private browsing session to apply. Opening multiple different apps in different windows or tabs or failing to clear cookies/cache has resulted in people receiving a lesser offer.

For information on the Executive version of this card, with $450 annual fee, not waived, see: Up to 100k miles Citi Executive AAdvantage offers

MOST CURRENT 50K LINKS:

Citi Personal and Business:50K miles & two Admirals Club one-day passes after $3000 spend in 3 months, $95 fee waived first year.

Citi AA Platinum Personal Mastercard, 50,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here. This is a CHIP and Signature card.

Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC requires $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to this application page.

OTHER PERSONAL CARDS

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year.

Citi Gold Mastercard. 25,000 miles after $750 spend in 3 months. $50 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here

If you are already a Citigold customer, read this post from the Miles Professor about another 50K offer from your branch office for the American Airlines credit card.

OTHER BUSINESS CARDS

Citi Business MasterCard. 40,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 35,000 miles after $1.5k spend in 3 months.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.


Citibank Contacts/Resources (Please add the others that you know)
  • Application status: https://www.accountonline.com/cards/...?screenID=3187
  • (800) 695-5171 – Personal Application Status and Reconsideration Line with live rep
  • (800) 763-9795 – General Personal Application Inquiries with live rep
  • (800) 645-7240 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (800) 288-4653 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (866) 606-2787 – General Application and Account Questions with live rep
  • (888) 201-4523 – Application status
  • (866) 606-2961 – Reconsideration Line.
  • Twitter : @AskCiti. Very powerful tool.
  • Executive Office - useful for getting a more empowered agent for reconsideration purposes: CitiBank Executive Review Department, P.O. Box 6000, Sioux Falls, SD 57117

FAQ
  1. Are these AA cards churnable?
  2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
  4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
  5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
  6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
  7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
  8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
  9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
  10. When will my bonus miles post?
  11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
  12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
  13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
  14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?

1. Are these AA cards churnable?
Yes and No. The general rules are:
  • Personal AA cards: As of August 25, 2013 all linked personal AA cards in this thread can be churned only after Citi decides that you are no longer an existing cardmember. This usually occurs between 12 and 26 months after your last successful AA personal card approval of any type including AA Executive card(s). If you want both a Platinum card and an Executive AA card and are eligible under the 12-26 month rule, get the Platinum card first or the Executive card will restart the clock. Although it is not a hard-and-fast rule, 18 months after previous approval is the most common. YMMV. You do not need to cancel old personal cards.
    • Note: You cannot circumvent this rule by applying for a card type different from your previous Citi AA card. If your last personal AA card was a Visa, the waiting period for your next personal AA card will be the same regardless of whether you apply for a Visa, MC, or Amex.

  • Business AA cards: have been churnable repeatedly by some people without restriction other than the general Citi application rules. Apply once every 91-95 days. For unknown reasons, some other people have been unable to churn business cards at all. Also, some (but not all) people need to completely cancel their previous business card (ie, cancel both the card account and the associated master account) before they can apply for another business card.

    Note: If you encounter difficulty in obtaining a Citi AA business card after holding one before, it may because of the unusual way Citi sets up business accounts. The business account per se has its own master number; like a standard MC/Visa, this master account number is 16 digits. In addition, each card on the account has its own 16-digit card number. Each of these numbers, including the number for the primary cardholder, is different from the master account number.

    Sometimes, when you call to close your card account, all the card numbers are canceled but the master account remains open. When this happens, subsequent applications for a business card may encounter difficulty. Online, there should be a dropdown of accounts under your business login; the number that match your card number is your card account, the number that does not match your card number is your master account. When cancelling, ask to cancel both accounts, giving the last 4 digts of each (as shown in that dropdown).


2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  • Only 1 Citi application of any kind per week (8 days to be safe).
  • No more than 2 Citi applications of any kind in 60 days (65 days to be safe).
  • No more than 1 Citi business application in 90 days (95 to be safe). This does not override the rules above.

While the day limits are a little flexible by a few days either way and YMMV, the rules themselves are not flexible. Note: In applying the rules above, count all Citi applications, including denials and/or applications for non-AA cards.

Mixed type Example:
Day 1 60K HHonors Visa
Day 9 or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa
Day 66 or later 50K Business #1
Day 74 or later 60K Executive
Day 161 or later 50K Business #2
18 Months, 74 days or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa

Not sure what day you applied? The date is written year, month, day in the application number: 201402280000 means you applied on Feb 28, 2014


3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
No. There is no requirement that you close previous personal accounts. People have reported having 4 or more of the exact same card. However, many people have reported problems getting AA Business cards if they have an open Business account.


4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
This is a matter of personal preference. Citi cards can be closed immediately after receiving a bonus and paying off the balance. There are no verifiable reports of Citi clawing back miles (exception - miles were clawed back for returned merchandise around November 2011).

Reasons to keep accounts open:
  • Having large credit lines improves your utilization percentage.
  • Maintaining old cards improves average age of cards.
  • Credit lines can be moved from old cards to new cards.
  • Anecdotal evidence suggests that Citi counts the credit lines of recently-closed accounts for 3-6 months against your total available credit.
  • You can receive retention offers once every 6 months per card. See this thread for details on the latest retention offers.

Reasons to close accounts:
  • Having a large amount of available credit with Citi will eventually reduce your chances of instant approval. Your application will automatically be reviewed if your CL's total 75K or more. This may also result in a large disparity between existing account CL's and new CL's, such as 20K, 20K and 1K for a new card, as an example.
  • There is little incentive to pay an annual fee if it is not waived.
  • The annual fee on Business cards is rarely waived.
  • Having a large number of open Citi cards will show up on your credit report and may affect non-Citi applications as well as the overall age of your accounts.


5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
Anyone can apply for a business card. You do not need a registered business with an EIN. If you do not have a business with an EIN or with bills/accounts in the business name, you can apply using your name as the business. The three possibilities are that: 1. You could be approved unconditionally, 2. You could be asked to fax a couple of bills or accounts (water, electricity, gas, cable, or phone bills, bank accounts, etc.) in the name of the business to Citi, or 3. You could be required to fill out and send a 4506-T tax form. Whatever you do do not make up income etc. about the business. Plenty of people have been issued cards for businesses with $0 annual revenue, 1-5 employees, and 0 years in business.


6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
Purchases from banks are almost always coded as a cash advance regardless of what they are for. Purchases from stores, e.g. CVS, are almost always coded as a purchase.
If you are concerned about it, it’s recommended to send a secure message Citi and have them set your Cash Advance limit to zero. Phone CSRs often say they can not do this.


7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
It depends. First, the rebate program (which began in April 2012) applies only to holders of these cards:
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage Visa Signature
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World MasterCard
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World Elite MasterCard
  • Citi Select AAdvantage American Express
It does not apply to the Citi Gold World MasterCard, Citi Executive products, or some of the Citi Business cards.

Also, the maximum rebate for any cardholder in a single calendar year is 10,000 miles. Having more than one qualifying Citi AA card will not allow you to receive a larger rebate; the restriction applies per AAdvantage account.

For more on the 10% rebate benefit, see Citi 10% miles back / rebate for reward redemption.


8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
Yes. The name on the card application must match the name on the AAdvantage account. You cannot apply for multiple cards for different people and use the same AAdvantage account number. AA does not care or even know how many Citi accounts you have so there is no harm in having your AAdvantage account number associated with multiple cards in your name. If you forget to add your AAdvantage account number to your application, an AAdvantage account in your name will be created and can later be merged with your existing account by calling AA.


9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
You need to have faith in the people here if you want to maximize your miles. The people on this board constantly apply for these cards and report back what they are told are the benefits and what they actually receive. The way Citi works is that if you are approved for a card, you will get the bonus associated with the link you applied under as long as you make the minimum spend. It does not matter if you already had the card or anything else. If you are approved - then you get the bonus. The two exceptions to this are: 1. If you fail to clear your cache and accidentally load a cached application, you get the miles associated with that application and 2. Some people have recently succeeded in 'bumping the bonus' by contacting Citi and requesting a match to a 50K offer after applying for a 40K card. If you don't feel like trusting in the experiences of others, then apply for an offer with a landing page.


10. When will my bonus miles post?
Two working days after the date of the statement containing the charge that takes you across the spend threshold. It posts overnight, it'll be there when you check your AAdvantage account in the morning.


11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
No one knows exactly why this is happening to some people (Citi blames AA, AA blames Citi, and both blame the merger). It supposedly has something to do with the time it takes them to properly link your AAdvantage number to your card. There are two ways to deal with this:
  • Wait 1-2 statement periods, and see if the points post on their own. Per Citi, it can take this long for the accounts to link.
  • Call AA (1-800-882-8880) and open a case about it. Most people have had their miles post within 2 weeks of doing this.

For ongoing discussion, see Some AA Citi Card miles not transferred to AAdvantage accounts [Q3 2013 - Q1 2014]


12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
Yes, assuming you have set up the credit card in your Citi account. Quick and easy.


13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
When activating cards online, Citi normally displays the text:

"This account replaces your old account, which is now closed. Statements for your old account will be available for up to 6 months. Your current account summary and unbilled transactions are now listed under your new account number."
This is normal and is supposed to be displayed when activating a replacement card but it seems to display even when activating a brand new card. This is nothing to worry about.


14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?
Citi appears to use Experian most frequently, followed by Equifax. For some people they pull both. It depends on where you are located. You can check the Credit Boards database to see where card issuers have pulled recently.

For the most part, freezing Experian, or another bureau, will not cause Citi to pull a different bureau. They will almost certainly require you to unfreeze the bureau they wish to pull or deny your application. Some people have been successful providing the PIN but others have not. Mostly, freezing a credit bureau in an attempt to force Citi to pull a different one seems to waste time, money, and effort for little result. But YMMV.

For one person's experiences with various card issuers, check here.


For rules and info on any offers that include Admirals club passes or statement credits, see here.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by cacohenassaf
This was a while back! I don't know if the policy changed. on Jan 12 I applied and received the the AMEX AA personal card 50K fee waived, on May 2012 I applied and received the World Mastercard AA personal card 50K I think fee waived.\
Yes, last year Citi stopped allowing two applications on the same day, and also about a year ago or more it started only putting out offers that required the (12 to) 18 (to 26) month wait (except for just a few months last year, they had an offer or two that didn't require such a wait).

So a lot has changed about Citi AA card churning since May 2012!
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Old Aug 8, 2014, 2:20 am
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once you earn the points with the aa are you able to purchase tickets using someone else's name?
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Old Aug 8, 2014, 8:58 am
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
Yes, last year Citi stopped allowing two applications on the same day, and also about a year ago or more it started only putting out offers that required the (12 to) 18 (to 26) month wait (except for just a few months last year, they had an offer or two that didn't require such a wait).

So a lot has changed about Citi AA card churning since May 2012!
Got it, thanks. I'll be watching on the new offers as they come in. I have to say that back in 2010-2012 it was much easier and there was a lot more benefits than nowadays.
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Old Aug 8, 2014, 12:05 pm
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Originally Posted by happyvoid
once you earn the points with the aa are you able to purchase tickets using someone else's name?
Yes, you just delete your auto-populated information on the aa.com booking site and enter the traveler's info.
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Old Aug 8, 2014, 2:25 pm
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so let me start by saying that I only skimmed this thread before applying
for the 50k no fee card ...

a few months ago I acquired the world executive $450 fee mastercard (100k +$200 statement cred) fantastic deal ...

so in skimming this thread is seemed that I could still get the 50k no fee card since I've never had that

Not the case apparently.

When I called to follow up on my app, the rep told me that because I already have a Citi AA World Mastercard (the world executive $450 fee one mentioned above), that I cannot get another one from them, you're only allowed ONE World Mastercard. Thats like the number one, not the alliance.

So anyway, anyone else have this experience? Did I just not read closely enough or is the rep lying to me?

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Old Aug 8, 2014, 3:45 pm
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Originally Posted by emdot
so let me start by saying that I only skimmed this thread before applying
for the 50k no fee card ...

a few months ago I acquired the world executive $450 fee mastercard (100k +$200 statement cred) fantastic deal ...

so in skimming this thread is seemed that I could still get the 50k no fee card since I've never had that

Not the case apparently.

When I called to follow up on my app, the rep told me that because I already have a Citi AA World Mastercard (the world executive $450 fee one mentioned above), that I cannot get another one from them, you're only allowed ONE World Mastercard. Thats like the number one, not the alliance.

So anyway, anyone else have this experience? Did I just not read closely enough or is the rep lying to me?
From the Wiki:

If you want both a Platinum and an Executive AA card and are eligible under the 12-26 month rule, get the Platinum card first. Although it is not a hard-and-fast rule, 18 months after previous approval is the most common. YMMV. You do not need to cancel old cards.
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Old Aug 8, 2014, 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by emdot
so let me start by saying that I only skimmed this thread before applying
for the 50k no fee card ...
(snip)

So anyway, anyone else have this experience? Did I just not read closely enough or is the rep lying to me?
This.

You did not read the Wiki carefully enough or not even read the Wiki at all, hence you messed up the sequence on your applications therefore almost guaranteed a denial on your 50K card app.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by emdot
a few months ago I acquired the world executive $450 fee mastercard (100k +$200 statement cred) fantastic deal ...

so in skimming this thread is seemed that I could still get the 50k no fee card since I've never had that

Not the case apparently.
Consider it an addiction. Once you go for the $450 fee AA MC, all (on the personal card side) you can apply for is another one of those. Now, they took away the 100k, they took away the 75k, so all you can apply for now is the $450 fee AA MC for 60k. See the point about the addiction?

The withdrawal period is (12 to) 18 (to 26) months.

But you can stay addicted, if you wish, by paying $450 more for each (now) 60k AA miles.

But please read what's already here (at least the Wikipost and the last couple pages of this thread's posts): You can still apply for a business AA MC 50k card (8+ days after your last Citi app or 65+ days after your next-to-last Citi app, whichever is longer).
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 12:03 pm
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
Consider it an addiction. Once you go for the $450 fee AA MC, all (on the personal card side) you can apply for is another one of those. Now, they took away the 100k, they took away the 75k, so all you can apply for now is the $450 fee AA MC for 60k. See the point about the addiction?

The withdrawal period is (12 to) 18 (to 26) months.

But you can stay addicted, if you wish, by paying $450 more for each (now) 60k AA miles.

But please read what's already here (at least the Wikipost and the last couple pages of this thread's posts): You can still apply for a business AA MC 50k card (8+ days after your last Citi app or 65+ days after your next-to-last Citi app, whichever is longer).
Who's been paying multiple AFs on this?
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 7:30 pm
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Who's been paying multiple AFs on [the $450 non-wavied AF Executive cards]?
Those who don't know how to / can't avoid it. It may take some MS experience, living fairly near a Wal-Mart, etc, to get all the ducks lined up to be able to cancel the card quickly enough (meaning to have the spend done and the bonus post before that) to be able to get the AF refunded.

Plus it takes being home when the card arrives (or very soon thereafter). Actual frequent travelers may be on a trip when the card arrives, and so many not even get the card into their wallet until the window in which to do all the above has shortened some. (The time limit starts upon approval, not upon you receiving/activating the card.)

Now, that's who may have to pay, if they apply. I presume, though, most people don't apply for a second one if they never figured out how to avoid paying it on the first one. (In fact, many people who don't have a pressing need for miles don't even apply for the first one if they're not confident they can avoid the AF on that first one.)

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Old Aug 10, 2014, 1:57 am
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50k Business mastercard still good?

Can somebody confirm if the wiki's link to 50k business mastercardis still good? Thanks much
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Old Aug 10, 2014, 9:03 am
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Originally Posted by ssg10
Can somebody confirm if the wiki's link to 50k business mastercardis still good? Thanks much
If it links to an application... It's good.

I used it 2 days ago for a business card for my husband and 2 weeks ago for a business card for myself. Both were approved via call in. I received my card in just under 2 weeks, still waiting for my husband's. 2nd card for me (1st was closed). 1st card for husband
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Old Aug 10, 2014, 12:44 pm
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So Citi AA exec is not treated as Citi AA personal card? If I applied Citi AA Exec 10k this June, can I apply Citi AA personal card now?

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Old Aug 10, 2014, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by gardener99
So Citi AA exec is not treated as Citi AA personal card? If I applied Citi AA Exec 10k this June, can I apply Citi AA personal card now?
I strongly recommend that you read the wiki at the top of this page, especially FAQs #1 & 2.

If you applied for the 100K Exec card in June, it is extremely unlikely that an application now for a personal AA card will succeed. As explained in the wiki, you'll need to wait somewhere between 12 and 26 months (as measured from the Exec application) before Citi is likely to approve a personal AA card for you.

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Old Aug 10, 2014, 8:16 pm
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Rejected-only one card allowed per EIN number

Originally Posted by philemer
Good to hear. I was auto. rejected for the Business card 7/29/14. I have an open Bus. card from 3/15/14. No other CITI apps. since 3/15 and only one non-CITI app. from 5/31. I was surprised at the rejection. I called in and the rep. said wait until you get the letter than you'll know how to protest the decision.

This happened to my wife May with the CITI AA personal card too. But she was approved 5 days later with a phone call to our home. STRANGE. Never had that happen. So, I'm holding out for an approval on mine. I'll report back.
Finally got my reject. letter and it said, to paraphrase, they only allow one AA business card per EIN number. Called in and supervisor would not budge. I offered to close old account or move CL and "no go".

Yes, I should have played it safe and canceled the previous one before I applied but c'est la vie. I will cancel the current card soon and reapply in 3 months. They didn't do a credit check.
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