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Old Jun 19, 2013, 12:14 pm
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Living in Tier 3 cities is the best part of China! (at least for short periods of time before one feels the need to retreat back to civilization)

Nanning isn't even that bad....I think there are 10 foreigners in Shantou. I'd imagine there are quite a few backpackers in Nanning.
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Old Jun 19, 2013, 11:08 pm
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I'm aware of this factoid, as well, but if you could see just how nice Ole is, you might have a little bit more confidence in them. It is similar to City Shops in Shanghai, but enormous. Simply beautiful product presentation... makes Carrefour look like Grocery Outlet.
I've been to an Ole, I think in Shenzhen. It's nice enough, but I still state that it's highly improbable that they can source 500 (or even 50) bottles of Lafite '82 per year.

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Old Jun 19, 2013, 11:34 pm
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Originally Posted by benzemalyonnais
Living in Tier 3 cities is the best part of China! (at least for short periods of time before one feels the need to retreat back to civilization)

Nanning isn't even that bad....I think there are 10 foreigners in Shantou. I'd imagine there are quite a few backpackers in Nanning.
In the hostels of Nanning, you can easily find 200+ (or more) backpackers from western countries. Not to mention the tie between Nanning and Southeast Asian countries.

That's probably the case of a lot of southern tier 3, tier 4 cities in China, imho.
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Old Jun 20, 2013, 3:27 am
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Have you found anyplace similar to Grand Yard yet Moondog? How is the look around treating you there?
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Old Jun 20, 2013, 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by guoguo914
In the hostels of Nanning, you can easily find 200+ (or more) backpackers from western countries. Not to mention the tie between Nanning and Southeast Asian countries.

That's probably the case of a lot of southern tier 3, tier 4 cities in China, imho.
Nanning is popular as a quick-stop for a day for overland travelers, as it is the primary connection point to/from Hanoi. Nanning and Hanoi are quite close geographically and it is very inexpensive to get between the two by train or bus. However, it rarely figures into most tourist plans as an extended stop.
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Old Jun 20, 2013, 10:38 am
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Have you found anyplace similar to Grand Yard yet Moondog?
If the temperature inside the GY never dropped below 90 degrees, then my answer would be a qualified "yes".

How is the look around treating you there?
Let's just leave at the fact that there are a lot of smart phones in use down here.
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Old Jun 20, 2013, 11:21 am
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De Tian Waterfall Nanning

Looks like Shangrila^

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Old Jun 20, 2013, 8:24 pm
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Detian Waterfall is hardly "in" Nanning--it's about a 3-hour drive away on the border with Vietnam. Best to visit later in the rainy season when the water flow will be at its greatest.
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Old Jun 21, 2013, 12:46 am
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To me, Tier 2 refers to places like Hangzhou, Xiamen, and Nanjing. It's not so much about size or importance as it is about development levels and per capita GDP. McKinsey shares this view.
Nanning is not a provincial capital because Guangxi is an autonomous region, not a province.

Nanning is also the poorest of all autonomous region capitals, provincial capitals and municipalities of China:
  1. Guangzhou 10 5909 yuan
  2. Nanjing 9 1384
  3. Tianjin 9 1181
  4. Changsha 9 0258
  5. Hangzhou 8 8661
  6. Huh-hoto 8 6734
  7. Beijing 8 6024
  8. Shanghai 8 4444
  9. Shenyang 8 1505
  10. Wuhan 7 9878
  11. Jinan 6 9900
  12. Zhengzhou 6 2628
  13. Urumqi 6 1493
  14. Nanchang 5 9500
  15. Changchun 5 8703
  16. Fuzhou 5 8587
  17. Chengdu 5 7842
  18. Yinchuan 5 6318
  19. Hefei 5 4997
  20. Taiyuan 5 4574
  21. Xian 5 1323
  22. Haikou 5 0531
  23. Lhasa 4 6941
  24. Kunming 4 6815
  25. Shijiazhuang 4 3777
  26. Lanzhou 4 3261
  27. Harbin 4 3128
  28. Guiyang 3 9317
  29. Chongqing 3 9257
  30. Xining 3 8534
  31. Nanning 3 1666

Which of these are tier 3?
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Old Jun 21, 2013, 6:06 am
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Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack
Nanning is not a provincial capital because Guangxi is an autonomous region, not a province.

Nanning is also the poorest of all autonomous region capitals, provincial capitals and municipalities of China:
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Which of these are tier 3?
Well, I have bolded those that I consider to be 1 and 2, which means that I define the rest to be 3+.

Your list underscores my point that capital status is only one factor when it comes tiers because a number of non-capitals certainly deserve tier 2, and Shenzhen makes a strong case for tier 1.

ETA: It seems that lists and bolding don't work well together. Suffice it to say, everything --except for Hohot-- above Wuhan is tier 1 or 2.
ETA2: It is hard to take official statistics about per capita GDP seriously for obvious reasons.
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Old Jun 21, 2013, 10:06 am
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Some Tianjin locals consider it to be Tier 1 . I think most of us just say ok, SH BJ GZ SZ tier 1. Then Chengdu, Nanjing, maybe Tianjin and Chongqing and Wuhan, and the rest 3 or below. TJ ren are all too rich for their own good, but the development of the city is not on par with any of the others IMO.
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Old Jun 21, 2013, 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by benzemalyonnais
Some Tianjin locals consider it to be Tier 1 . I think most of us just say ok, SH BJ GZ SZ tier 1. Then Chengdu, Nanjing, maybe Tianjin and Chongqing and Wuhan, and the rest 3 or below. TJ ren are all too rich for their own good, but the development of the city is not on par with any of the others IMO.
I briefly visited Tianjin in May 2009, and found that it was relatively devoid of humanity. Wide boulevards, foreign concessions and a Ferris wheel built into a bridge, but none of the usual huddled masses yearning to be in each other's way.

Aberration? Or did everyone just avail themselves to the HSR to Beijing?
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Old Jun 21, 2013, 5:58 pm
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Originally Posted by benzemalyonnais
Some Tianjin locals consider it to be Tier 1 . I think most of us just say ok, SH BJ GZ SZ tier 1. Then Chengdu, Nanjing, maybe Tianjin and Chongqing and Wuhan, and the rest 3 or below. TJ ren are all too rich for their own good, but the development of the city is not on par with any of the others IMO.
Some china locals would also say that Taiwan is a province...

We-chat has a blog on this Tier 1-2-3-4, they break the Tier 2 cities as; strong, medium, & weak. IMO, Qingdao, ( QD) is also a strong Tier 2 city, but not one of the capitol cities, & Ningbo a medium Tier 2.
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Old Jun 21, 2013, 6:39 pm
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From the list of above:

Tier 1
Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou (add Shenzhen)

Tier 2 (Upper)
Nanjing, Tianjin, Hangzhou, Shenyang, Wuhan, Chengdu (add Dalian, Chongqing, Suzhou)

Tier 2 (Lower)
Changsha, Jinan, Zhengzhou, Hefei, Xian (add Qingdao, Xiamen, Wuxi, ++)

Tier 3 and above
Hohhot, Urumqi, Nanchang, Changchun, Fuzhou, Yinchuan, Taiyuan, Haikou, Lhasa, Kunming, Shijiazhuang, Lanzhou, Harbin, Guiyang, Chongqing, Xining, Nanning (++)
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Old Jun 21, 2013, 7:43 pm
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The list I have is fairly close to sniles' but it's not just about GDP:

Tier 1
Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen

Tier 2 (Upper)
Tianjin, Chengdu, Chongqing, Wuhan, Hangzhou, Suzhou, Nanjing, Dalian, Shenyang

Tier 2 (Lower)
Xi'an, Qingdao, Ningbo, Xiamen

Tier 3 (Upper)
Jinan, Zhengzhou, Hefei, Wuxi, Changsha, Dongguan

Tier 3 (Lower)
Harbin, Changchun, Changzhou, Nantong, Fuzhou, Kunming, Nanning

Tier 4--a real mixed bag
Urumqi, Xining, Lanzhou, Yinchuan, Hohhot, Taiyuan, Shijiazhuang, Luoyang, Nanchang, Guiyang, Haikou

Takeaway: there is a lot of potential (= opportunity) for those willing to live/work/invest in the Tier 3 and 4 cities.
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