Electronic devices ban Europe to the US [merged threads]
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Problem is if there is a battery incident and the airplane goes down in the ocean silently like AF447, we may not know the cause for years, if ever. There will be wild speculation of a bomb. A swift re-evaluation without good information will, as an abundance of caution, tighten the restrictions even more.
And yes, it might then lead to a complete ban.
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Appeals Court Will Not Reinstate Trump’s Revised Travel Ban
What are the odds that this latest legal ruling will only bolster the argument of those who advocate a more widespread ban on electronics because it will not specifically discriminate against anyone?
A federal appeals court refused Thursday to reinstate President Trump’s revised travel ban, saying it “drips with religious intolerance, animus and discrimination.”
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I seem to recall the rationale behind the ME ban was insufficient screening at the named airports.
Is the US saying the same thing about all airports in Europe. Because that's ludicrous. And if they're not claiming that, why the current distinction about which direction the plane is flying? They're clearly fearing mid air explosions. Why would they not propose the same rules for outbound flights? Why not domestic American flights?
I've experienced TSA and I've experienced French, German, Swiss, Dutch, and Italian security. No one's convincing me of TSA's superiority. Hardly.
What is this really about?
Is the US saying the same thing about all airports in Europe. Because that's ludicrous. And if they're not claiming that, why the current distinction about which direction the plane is flying? They're clearly fearing mid air explosions. Why would they not propose the same rules for outbound flights? Why not domestic American flights?
I've experienced TSA and I've experienced French, German, Swiss, Dutch, and Italian security. No one's convincing me of TSA's superiority. Hardly.
What is this really about?
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Appeals Court Will Not Reinstate Trump’s Revised Travel BanWhat are the odds that this latest legal ruling will only bolster the argument of those who advocate a more widespread ban on electronics because it will not specifically discriminate against anyone?
Much the same dynamic for those opposed.
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Hmm, maybe someone will sue if they expand the ban.
That is how the travel ban case went to the courts in the first place.
Maybe some businesses which depend on their employees working on flights, being able to secure their laptops will sue that there's no basis for a blanket ban.
That is how the travel ban case went to the courts in the first place.
Maybe some businesses which depend on their employees working on flights, being able to secure their laptops will sue that there's no basis for a blanket ban.
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Because I'm here for the long weekend, I brought a backpack on board with me full of camera gear (body + lenses), my drone, batteries for drone and camera, numerous cables, chargers etc.
At NCL, they took one look at it on the baggage scanner and pulled it to one side for a thorough manual inspection and explosives swab test on every bit.
I didn't have to re-clear security at LHR due to arriving on a domestic flight, but I had been selected by the TSA for additional security checks at the gate. This led to another full inspection of the bag, and a full pat-down of myself (so much for priority boarding - most of the plane was onboard by the time I was finished with this!).
And when I re-cleared security at DFW? Not a second glance at the bag - just straight through. I'm not sure the operator was even concentrating on the images, despite mine being full of opaque objects and lots of wires everywhere. Based on this and previous TSA experiences, it doesn't feel like the US is in any position to judge European airports as insecure.
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And when I re-cleared security at DFW? Not a second glance at the bag - just straight through. I'm not sure the operator was even concentrating on the images, despite mine being full of opaque objects and lots of wires everywhere. Based on this and previous TSA experiences, it doesn't feel like the US is in any position to judge European airports as insecure.
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This comment isn't really specific to the EU, but since I have some upcoming travel planned, I was doing some searches about travel security and came across this page:
https://export-compliance.ku.edu/encryption
With regard to travel with encrypted mobile devices, laptops and external hard drives which is allowed under a personal use exemption provided:
"The items you take with you must be under the “effective control of the traveler” AT ALL TIMES. This means the equipment, software, and data you take with you cannot be shipped as unaccompanied baggage. For example, you cannot stow external hard drives, flash drives, etc., in your checked baggage."
This seems to be in conflict with any ban on travelling with laptops in the cabin unless you remove internal disks and carry them on-board. Am I understanding that correctly?
https://export-compliance.ku.edu/encryption
With regard to travel with encrypted mobile devices, laptops and external hard drives which is allowed under a personal use exemption provided:
"The items you take with you must be under the “effective control of the traveler” AT ALL TIMES. This means the equipment, software, and data you take with you cannot be shipped as unaccompanied baggage. For example, you cannot stow external hard drives, flash drives, etc., in your checked baggage."
This seems to be in conflict with any ban on travelling with laptops in the cabin unless you remove internal disks and carry them on-board. Am I understanding that correctly?
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This comment isn't really specific to the EU, but since I have some upcoming travel planned, I was doing some searches about travel security and came across this page:
https://export-compliance.ku.edu/encryption
With regard to travel with encrypted mobile devices, laptops and external hard drives which is allowed under a personal use exemption provided:
"The items you take with you must be under the “effective control of the traveler” AT ALL TIMES. This means the equipment, software, and data you take with you cannot be shipped as unaccompanied baggage. For example, you cannot stow external hard drives, flash drives, etc., in your checked baggage."
This seems to be in conflict with any ban on travelling with laptops in the cabin unless you remove internal disks and carry them on-board. Am I understanding that correctly?
https://export-compliance.ku.edu/encryption
With regard to travel with encrypted mobile devices, laptops and external hard drives which is allowed under a personal use exemption provided:
"The items you take with you must be under the “effective control of the traveler” AT ALL TIMES. This means the equipment, software, and data you take with you cannot be shipped as unaccompanied baggage. For example, you cannot stow external hard drives, flash drives, etc., in your checked baggage."
This seems to be in conflict with any ban on travelling with laptops in the cabin unless you remove internal disks and carry them on-board. Am I understanding that correctly?
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The way I read the question, it was asking whether the checking of laptops with encryption software would be a violation of US export laws, not just company/university policy.
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Secretary Kelly was on CBS This Morning today.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/homela...s-intel-leaks/
I'll save you six minutes: he was asked about the large device "ban". He said they are still looking at it and that there is no timeline. The interviewers didn't ask about concerns with batteries in the hold or theft/loss/damage concerns.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/homela...s-intel-leaks/
I'll save you six minutes: he was asked about the large device "ban". He said they are still looking at it and that there is no timeline. The interviewers didn't ask about concerns with batteries in the hold or theft/loss/damage concerns.
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Secretary Kelly was on CBS This Morning today.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/homela...s-intel-leaks/
I'll save you six minutes: he was asked about the large device "ban". He said they are still looking at it and that there is no timeline. The interviewers didn't ask about concerns with batteries in the hold or theft/loss/damage concerns.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/homela...s-intel-leaks/
I'll save you six minutes: he was asked about the large device "ban". He said they are still looking at it and that there is no timeline. The interviewers didn't ask about concerns with batteries in the hold or theft/loss/damage concerns.
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That was exactly my point. From reading that page, it seems that the US government is simultaneously requiring you to check in your laptop and requiring you not to check in your laptop. Providing it has encryption software, which everything does have these days.
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Appeals Court Will Not Reinstate Trump’s Revised Travel BanWhat are the odds that this latest legal ruling will only bolster the argument of those who advocate a more widespread ban on electronics because it will not specifically discriminate against anyone?
Where was the outrage over the liquids ban, various touching by TSA, mistreatment of the disabled, mandatory body scans, electronics bans, etc.? Fighting these wrongs is left up to a few hardy individuals* who receive little or no institutional support and are left to using their own resources to defend us all.
Massive institutional resources are going to fight 2017 Travel Ban 2.0, which even with its faults, is structured to have zero effect on U.S. persons or persons with a presence in the US. Meanwhile we're on a path to being eventually forced to fly naked or in prison jumpsuits with no personal property allowed, but the big players won't stand against it as long as it's not discriminatory. What happened to fighting all mistreatment?
(*Thanks Sai. And thanks John Gilmore, Phil Mocek, John Brennan, and others I'm forgetting at the moment.)