Rude Canadian immigration
#31
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 75
You're actually referring to Customs Officers from CBSA, not Immigration Officers from CIC. CBSA staff man the booths and question you. As a Canadian citizen, you'd never deal with a proper CIC Immigration Officer. Immigration staff are located in the secondary screening area.
#32
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: YYC
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I have used YVR, YYC (my home airport), YYZ, YUL, returning from overseas, and over the years my conclusion is that the Canadian Immigration officers are very heterogeneous: some are good and professional, while others are very rude. Perhaps I use more often Calgary airport, I'd say 40% of Custom and Immigration officers are cold and rude (they asked stupid questions and I feel they did so purely to show their authority postering). I have better impressions on YVR officers.
#33
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I haven't had any problems entering Canada at an airport but I did encounter a slightly rude officer coming off a cruise in Vancouver. He questioned me for 15-20 minutes. The officer seemed personally offended that I hadn't bought any gifts for my Canadian friends and family; he was almost berating me for not bringing them any gifts. After he finally got over that issue, he seemed really confused by the fact that my cruise roommates and I were all from different places. Guess he's never heard of the internet.
#34
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: YYC
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The Customs Act doesn't go into specifics it simply says everyone who enters... That includes CDNs and Foreign Nationals. As to whether it is constitutional or not, that's for people in fancy robes to decide... And, since the law has been in effect for over 20 years, I am assuming that it may have already passed the Charter test.
While the law requires the same of everyone, its application is very different. A foreign national who doesn't comply is simply refused entry, and the courts have held that a person applying for entry has an obligation to answer questions so that the officer may make a decision. But for a legitimate Canadian citizen, they aren't making a decision on entry (they are legal obligated to admit you); rather they are making a decision on if you should be subject to further search. As that is their goal, an argument that you were invoking your right not to incriminate yourself would be interesting to see play out.
#35
Join Date: Sep 2003
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I have had the opposite experience. Dont get me wrong, I have had a couple of a-holes before coming back into the US but I used to do a lot of trips to YVR and let me tell ya.....every time was an a-hole experience. Even if I put on my happy face.
#36
Join Date: Oct 2009
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I spent 6 years in the US on a H1B and I can tell you that nothing beats US immigration officers at JFK for rudeness. I find CBSA officers to be cold but not rude generally.
I find the focus on Canadian inspection is on the customs side where most airport passport checks in other parts of the world is on immigration issues. I find it irritating that CBSA spend so much time on that extra bottle of booze they suspect you are hiding rather than dealing with big picture stuff.
Thankfully I have Nexus now and can avoid the hassles.
I find the focus on Canadian inspection is on the customs side where most airport passport checks in other parts of the world is on immigration issues. I find it irritating that CBSA spend so much time on that extra bottle of booze they suspect you are hiding rather than dealing with big picture stuff.
Thankfully I have Nexus now and can avoid the hassles.
#37
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: PHL, NYC, DC
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The way I understand it with global entry you go to the kiosk do your thing then you just give them the card on the way out and your done...just like Nexus in Canada. When you preclear to the US you use the nexus machine then you have to wait to talk to a guy and you still get asked all the questions then they let you go. If you have been approved for Nexus I don't see why you still have to stop and have a conversation with the customs officer unless your card says you are declaring something.
I take my glasses off but the that green area either asks me to aim above my nose for a successful capture or sometimes they want my right iris in the green area..... machine make up you mind!
when i pass customs, yes sir/mam, no sir/mam, i can from XYZ, thank you sir/mam
#38
Join Date: May 2007
Location: YOW
Posts: 2,351
The way I understand it with global entry you go to the kiosk do your thing then you just give them the card on the way out and your done...just like Nexus in Canada. When you preclear to the US you use the nexus machine then you have to wait to talk to a guy and you still get asked all the questions then they let you go. If you have been approved for Nexus I don't see why you still have to stop and have a conversation with the customs officer unless your card says you are declaring something.
#39
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,849
You're actually referring to Customs Officers from CBSA, not Immigration Officers from CIC. CBSA staff man the booths and question you. As a Canadian citizen, you'd never deal with a proper CIC Immigration Officer. Immigration staff are located in the secondary screening area.
It may seem a minor distinction, but it actually needs to be understood. It bothers me because if you're going to complain about someone, make sure you're complaining about the right person. Canadian citizens do not interact with CIC Immigration Officers at the airport. We interact entirely with CBSA staff.
It may seem a minor distinction, but it actually needs to be understood. It bothers me because if you're going to complain about someone, make sure you're complaining about the right person. Canadian citizens do not interact with CIC Immigration Officers at the airport. We interact entirely with CBSA staff.
I find the focus on Canadian inspection is on the customs side where most airport passport checks in other parts of the world is on immigration issues. I find it irritating that CBSA spend so much time on that extra bottle of booze they suspect you are hiding rather than dealing with big picture stuff.
I'd like to see a move toward further automation and integration of biometrics (e-channel for citizens and possibly permanent residents) on the immigration side. Foreign nationals would still have to see an officer. For customs, I'd like to see a red channel / green channel system. More officers would be roving the baggage reclaim area and more random or targeted inspections would take place. But I dream....
Last edited by yyzvoyageur; Feb 5, 2011 at 10:53 am
#40
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,875
This depends on which airport you are at. Normally I clear US customs at Pearson and I never have to wait to talk to anyone, just hand in the cards (YVR is the same too if I recall). In Ottawa you sometimes have to wait to hand in your cards (handed in to the crew line agent) but I don't recall being asked any questions. Where are you clearing?
#41
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: PHL, NYC, DC
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Clearing in Calgary. When I went through last month the guy just looked at my card and passport and let me through. The previous 3 times. I got the questions. Where are you going? What is the purpose of your visit? How long are you staying? Where are you staying? Are you bringing anything into the US?...etc
#42
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,875
you get secondaried all the time? For me, its just use the NEXUS machine and give the NEXUS Printout card along with my US Customs Form and show my NEXUS Card to the US CBP Officer collecting such cards.... no questions asked (unless I get secondaried, which they will open my bag and inspect it and ask me where i am going etc) thats all
I take my glasses off but the that green area either asks me to aim above my nose for a successful capture or sometimes they want my right iris in the green area..... machine make up you mind!
when i pass customs, yes sir/mam, no sir/mam, i can from XYZ, thank you sir/mam
I take my glasses off but the that green area either asks me to aim above my nose for a successful capture or sometimes they want my right iris in the green area..... machine make up you mind!
when i pass customs, yes sir/mam, no sir/mam, i can from XYZ, thank you sir/mam
#43
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Posts: 1,748
You really need a dose of real world education if you manage to get riled up over questions of where did you go and how did you meet your traveling partners. As a citizen of a third country, I have found CBSA officers to be professional and efficient. US officers to be among the rudest on earth - one of them physically slapped my hand to get a hold of my documents, when asking for them would have sufficed. In other countries, I have had officers rummage throughout my entire belongings. This included the UK, where a burst envelope of silica gel among my photo equipment caused quite the ruckus (you see, the stuff is white and powdery). In Canada I never spent more than 1 minute at the booth - occasionally the agent had a bad day, but so do I sometimes.
#44
Join Date: Jun 2003
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To me, no big deal. And, as most people know, they don't really care what the answer is. They're just looking for clues to see if you're making the stuff up so they can go after the bigger stuff.
#45
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Well considering that the process only takes one to maybe two minutes, it's not a big incursion into my time, however, I'm always glad to get through it. I've been asked lots of specific questions and lots of general questions. I've never had any single agent from either country insult me, but they have asked questions aggressively and asked things that may throw you off balance. That's just a technique to get a valid response. As long as you remain pleasant and cooperative, it's a non-issue crossing the borders.