Oct 13, 2016, 9:18 am
Last edit by: orbitmic
BAEC text is now confirming that after the forthcoming changes, TP and Avios for flights marketed as "domestic first" on two class aircrafts (ie everything except transcontinental flagship on all JFK-LAX vv, all JFK-SFO vv, and the MIA-LAX flights operated by a 77W) will accrue on a business class basis, ie 40TPs or 140TPs on flights over 2000mi and corresponding avios.
Seems it has been confirmed! Details in this post #254
(This is a thread that is really crying out for a wiki. Edit to your heart's content!)
Seems it has been confirmed! Details in this post #254
(This is a thread that is really crying out for a wiki. Edit to your heart's content!)
Bad news for TP runs using AA [domestic F sells as J. Reduced TPs - confirmed]
Oct 19, 2016, 3:04 pm
#316
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When AA process schedule changes, they typically take effect 2 months into the future. When there was a major schedule change on 2 October, my November domestic flights were unaffected but the same flights after 2 December had changes on flight number and timings.
I hate all the speculation and have advocated waiting until 12 November to see what happens but based on prior changes and the excellent information provided by JonNYC, I would anticipate nothing changing for 2 class domestic flights up to 11 January and those after that date will be amended and I would anticipate, be recoded to J/D/I from F/P/A. That is only my best guess. We will only know for sure after 12 November.
I hate all the speculation and have advocated waiting until 12 November to see what happens but based on prior changes and the excellent information provided by JonNYC, I would anticipate nothing changing for 2 class domestic flights up to 11 January and those after that date will be amended and I would anticipate, be recoded to J/D/I from F/P/A. That is only my best guess. We will only know for sure after 12 November.
Oct 19, 2016, 4:17 pm
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Nope:
- 12 November = date when the change will occur
- 11 January = dates of the first flights affected
ie in all likelihood, on or shortly after 12 November, all the AA 2 class domestic flights from 11 January onwards will have inventory F-A-P replaced by J-D-I-R and tickets currently booked in F, A, or P reassigned to the new class equivalent.
- 12 November = date when the change will occur
- 11 January = dates of the first flights affected
ie in all likelihood, on or shortly after 12 November, all the AA 2 class domestic flights from 11 January onwards will have inventory F-A-P replaced by J-D-I-R and tickets currently booked in F, A, or P reassigned to the new class equivalent.
Oct 26, 2016, 4:26 am
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I have a booking, on which two F flights have been downgraded to Y as a consequence of equipment change. Given the imminent changes regarding booking classes, I am considering my options.
Would this downgrade allow me to cancel the booking, or is rerouting the only option AA would offer?
Thanks.
Would this downgrade allow me to cancel the booking, or is rerouting the only option AA would offer?
Thanks.
Last edited by Flythe96flag; Oct 26, 2016 at 4:38 am
Oct 28, 2016, 2:11 pm
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at least now we don't have to choose between a recliner for 210tp and the biz seat on the transcon a321!!
So in a way, it means more flying, which is good!! and also a more comfortable ride...which is also good.
That's me, Mr Positive!! or maybe Ive had a few cocktails!
So in a way, it means more flying, which is good!! and also a more comfortable ride...which is also good.
That's me, Mr Positive!! or maybe Ive had a few cocktails!
Oct 28, 2016, 2:24 pm
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at least now we don't have to choose between a recliner for 210tp and the biz seat on the transcon a321!!
So in a way, it means more flying, which is good!! and also a more comfortable ride...which is also good.
That's me, Mr Positive!! or maybe Ive had a few cocktails!
So in a way, it means more flying, which is good!! and also a more comfortable ride...which is also good.
That's me, Mr Positive!! or maybe Ive had a few cocktails!
Oct 28, 2016, 2:49 pm
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maybe I shall have another drinkie and forget about that issue.
Although, joking aside, over the past few years, it has become more and more difficult to get an F seat at the J price.
On the a321, we often now just book straight into F or book J and use miles and copay, as it takes so much time to find those great fares.
A further negative is looking at LAX MIA route - most of the planes are currently 2 class - so we are shortchanged out of a slopey or lie flat bed in Biz and only get a recliner, on what used to be a great transcon route.
So JFK LAX will be our preferred route from now on - I will miss the premium lounge....
Oct 28, 2016, 4:19 pm
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at least now we don't have to choose between a recliner for 210tp and the biz seat on the transcon a321!!
So in a way, it means more flying, which is good!! and also a more comfortable ride...which is also good.
That's me, Mr Positive!! or maybe Ive had a few cocktails!
So in a way, it means more flying, which is good!! and also a more comfortable ride...which is also good.
That's me, Mr Positive!! or maybe Ive had a few cocktails!
Oct 28, 2016, 4:46 pm
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There have been some remarks on the AA board that AA is restricting some lower fare combos that involve the transcon service. I've not had a chance to look into the details yet or if impacts trips combined with TATL, or if it's just to reduce lower fare domestic connection options.
Oct 28, 2016, 4:47 pm
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27388424-post4.html
and the wiki here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/premi...k-eqms-50.html
Oct 30, 2016, 2:07 am
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Indeed, seems like they've figured out how to do comprehensive blocking and that's that. When the A321 first came into service there was a dramatic increase in the number of TCON flights as well as continued adjustment of the flights themselves, with flights coming on and going off the schedule regularly. They couldn't keep up with blocking by flight#, which meant amazing deals coming up. Thing of the past now, or in reality back to the past.
Nov 1, 2016, 3:41 am
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Looking at flights from DCA to DFW. F is gone but... the inventory is listed as A. So... maybe we are still good to go.
Nov 1, 2016, 3:55 am
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Nov 1, 2016, 5:08 am
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There is something weird going on with AA and its booking classes. Yesterday it was impossible to price a simple oneway JFK-SFO in J even on flights where D or J class was available. Both AA.com and the Matrix forced you up to A or F class instead.
No idea if these issues are related but there may be some backend work that has broken something.
No idea if these issues are related but there may be some backend work that has broken something.
Nov 1, 2016, 5:28 am
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There is something weird going on with AA and its booking classes. Yesterday it was impossible to price a simple oneway JFK-SFO in J even on flights where D or J class was available. Both AA.com and the Matrix forced you up to A or F class instead.
No idea if these issues are related but there may be some backend work that has broken something.
No idea if these issues are related but there may be some backend work that has broken something.
Nov 1, 2016, 5:40 am
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There are definitely some changes going on at aa.com
There was a new screen layout for the seat choice when I checked a couple of domestic bookings for an upcoming trip.
Also someone over on the AA forum has pointed out aa.com was only giving main cabin options for MIA-SJU which I think is a well flown route in Business class for many of the TP runners. The poster there could price up Business on online travel agents.
There was a new screen layout for the seat choice when I checked a couple of domestic bookings for an upcoming trip.
Also someone over on the AA forum has pointed out aa.com was only giving main cabin options for MIA-SJU which I think is a well flown route in Business class for many of the TP runners. The poster there could price up Business on online travel agents.