WS adds Dallas, Myrtle Beach, Nanaimo, Fort St John
Feb 13, 2013, 6:16 pm
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Airline industry race to the bottom continues!
Now that we know Economy - is onboard the Q400s does that mean Encore will also be introducing Economy +? I'm not sure if there's space to do that with 78 seats.
We also know that Encore won't be serving YTZ any time soon. No more than 70 seats can fly in and out of that airport (I guess they could probably just not sell 8 tickets but wouldn't that be a major waste of space?).
Feb 13, 2013, 9:01 pm
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Or how about WS lobbies the Edmonton/Alberta governments to keep YXD open (the closure of which is a travesty) and allow Q400 service, launch Encore service YXD-YYC with 10x+ weekday frequency both ways (with all night flights out of YEG for noise abatement) and operate it like Rapidair or US Shuttle? WS is a very strong brand in Alberta and if they executed it right they could crush AC and Red Arrow on this route. Build it for the oil commuters and fill the remainder of the seats with connecting traffic.
I know YXD doesn't have the infrastructure right now, but I'm sure something could be arranged with the Aerocentre or Avitat...
I know YXD doesn't have the infrastructure right now, but I'm sure something could be arranged with the Aerocentre or Avitat...
Feb 14, 2013, 7:47 am
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YXD will cease to exist soon so that option will never happen. The AB Gov is moving its ops to YEG as is Alberta Health Services. City council is solidly behind their decision to close the muni and court challenges are dead. Say goodbye to YXD. In retrospect one of the best moves the city made. We would still be at 2 x msp and slc otherwise.
On AA pulling out of YYC, it could happen but it has not on YYZ-LGA, although that is Eagle and a much shorter flight.
On AA pulling out of YYC, it could happen but it has not on YYZ-LGA, although that is Eagle and a much shorter flight.
Feb 14, 2013, 11:10 am
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Not sure what your point is. UA has 3 flights to IAH from YYC so why would supplementing the DFW route with an extra flight be such a shocker. They would be able to codeshare with AA and have connection opportunities out of DFW.
Feb 14, 2013, 12:52 pm
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^ Exactly, WestJet is smart in doing this IMO, It gives people more options to a great hub.
Wouldn't be surprised to see AA or WS move into the YEG market from DFW this fall either, its been a long time coming. Much like IAH just needed the right market mix. I think these western Canada routes are prime for DFW, AA/WS, and OneWorld connections now.
Wouldn't be surprised to see AA or WS move into the YEG market from DFW this fall either, its been a long time coming. Much like IAH just needed the right market mix. I think these western Canada routes are prime for DFW, AA/WS, and OneWorld connections now.
Feb 15, 2013, 9:38 am
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Connections to where? UA/AC's IAH flights are understandable because of the high O&D traffic. In order to sustain YEG-DFW you'd have to have people willing to connect in DFW to another destination in the US (and again... where would those people go? Florida is a pretty sh!t destination as far as yield is concerned) or people flying YEG-LatAm. People who regularly fly YYC/YEG-LatAm are almost non-existent and you'd have a hell of a time trying to regularly fill planes with them. I can maybe see WS launch YEG-DFW or YEG-ORD (more likely), but not AA.
Feb 15, 2013, 7:01 pm
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Connections to where? UA/AC's IAH flights are understandable because of the high O&D traffic. In order to sustain YEG-DFW you'd have to have people willing to connect in DFW to another destination in the US (and again... where would those people go? Florida is a pretty sh!t destination as far as yield is concerned) or people flying YEG-LatAm. People who regularly fly YYC/YEG-LatAm are almost non-existent and you'd have a hell of a time trying to regularly fill planes with them. I can maybe see WS launch YEG-DFW or YEG-ORD (more likely), but not AA.
Feb 15, 2013, 10:04 pm
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If AA is indeed pulling out of DFW-YYC, you can bet they're not going to start DFW-YEG.
Feb 16, 2013, 7:07 pm
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IAH is an oil town. Naturally, they can sustain high O&D traffic Alberta-IAH. There is certainly energy stuff going on in DFW but it also has a lot of communications and banking stuff going on too and is far less of an oil town than IAH. I can't see that much O&D traffic YYC/YEG-DFW, and even less high-yield O&D traffic. Where would you connect to in DFW from Alberta? I can only see low-yield leisure flights to Florida and the Caribbean, which is a perfect market for WS to feed AA with.
If AA is indeed pulling out of DFW-YYC, you can bet they're not going to start DFW-YEG.
If AA is indeed pulling out of DFW-YYC, you can bet they're not going to start DFW-YEG.
Feb 16, 2013, 9:57 pm
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Feb 17, 2013, 8:20 pm
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Feb 18, 2013, 8:21 pm
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There is a lot of business between YEG and DFW, and in the oil patch there is a lot of passenger traffic driven between YEG and South America. Right now it is hard to get good connections in to South America from up in YEG.
Feb 18, 2013, 10:50 pm
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County votes whether or not to pay WestJet if business goes down
Interesting...
"Tuesday night Horry County leaders will vote on a resolution whether or not to pass an incentives package that would give WestJet Airlines up to $1 million if it went below a 15% profit margin in the first six months of conducting service at Myrtle Beach International Airport."
http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/212375...ness-goes-down
Ron.
"Tuesday night Horry County leaders will vote on a resolution whether or not to pass an incentives package that would give WestJet Airlines up to $1 million if it went below a 15% profit margin in the first six months of conducting service at Myrtle Beach International Airport."
http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/212375...ness-goes-down
Ron.
Feb 19, 2013, 1:28 pm
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Interesting...
"Tuesday night Horry County leaders will vote on a resolution whether or not to pass an incentives package that would give WestJet Airlines up to $1 million if it went below a 15% profit margin in the first six months of conducting service at Myrtle Beach International Airport."
http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/212375...ness-goes-down
Ron.
"Tuesday night Horry County leaders will vote on a resolution whether or not to pass an incentives package that would give WestJet Airlines up to $1 million if it went below a 15% profit margin in the first six months of conducting service at Myrtle Beach International Airport."
http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/212375...ness-goes-down
Ron.
It's an airline-I doubt that they can even attract 5%.