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Originally Posted by SusanDK
(Post 35209494)
Is it permitted to submit a routine passport renewal application to an embassy if not living in the foreign country? When I lived in Denmark (for 30 years), I just mailed my renewal application to the embassy in Copenhagen and got the new passport back in the post in about 3-5 days. It was brilliant and I didn't even need to make a trip to the embassy. The most difficult part of the whole process was getting a correctly sized photo, since the US passport photos are different sized than Danish passports.
But if I no longer live there, could I have submitted a renewal application using my in-law's Danish address? Obviously, I would have had to do this when my current passport was still more than six months from expiration in order to get into Denmark. I assumed that the passport services via the embassy were for citizens living abroad and/or emergency situations, not to process a routine renewal. |
Question for all: Has anyone submitted a regular Passport renewal which is currently taking 10-13 weeks and called the 877 number to request if it can be upgraded to Expedite? I was told this could be done and my spouse called and spoke to an Agent who said to email them with the reference number and credit card details and it will be processed. This was 2 weeks ago and still no charge to my card or any update online. Just wondering if anyone has tried this and if it was successful.
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Originally Posted by yabadoo
(Post 35209702)
Question for all: Has anyone submitted a regular Passport renewal which is currently taking 10-13 weeks and called the 877 number to request if it can be upgraded to Expedite? I was told this could be done and my spouse called and spoke to an Agent who said to email them with the reference number and credit card details and it will be processed. This was 2 weeks ago and still no charge to my card or any update online. Just wondering if anyone has tried this and if it was successful.
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Originally Posted by yabadoo
(Post 35209702)
spoke to an Agent who said to email them with the reference number and credit card details.
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Originally Posted by SusanDK
(Post 35209494)
Is it permitted to submit a routine passport renewal application to an embassy if not living in the foreign country? When I lived in Denmark (for 30 years), I just mailed my renewal application to the embassy in Copenhagen and got the new passport back in the post in about 3-5 days. It was brilliant and I didn't even need to make a trip to the embassy. The most difficult part of the whole process was getting a correctly sized photo, since the US passport photos are different sized than Danish passports.
But if I no longer live there, could I have submitted a renewal application using my in-law's Danish address? Obviously, I would have had to do this when my current passport was still more than six months from expiration in order to get into Denmark. I assumed that the passport services via the embassy were for citizens living abroad and/or emergency situations, not to process a routine renewal. |
Originally Posted by yabadoo
(Post 35209702)
Question for all: Has anyone submitted a regular Passport renewal which is currently taking 10-13 weeks and called the 877 number to request if it can be upgraded to Expedite? I was told this could be done and my spouse called and spoke to an Agent who said to email them with the reference number and credit card details and it will be processed. This was 2 weeks ago and still no charge to my card or any update online. Just wondering if anyone has tried this and if it was successful.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 35209648)
To answer your question: yes, it is allowed. There is no requirement to be a legal resident local to the US Embassy in Denmark in order to make a regular US passport application appointment and use it to get a passport. Even a US-residing or Sweden-residing American visiting Denmark can make an appointment online and use an expiring US passport to get a new full duration regular US passport issued for in-person pick-up in Denmark.
Originally Posted by italdesign
(Post 35210320)
Taking your idea one step further, I wonder if a US-based US citizen can just mail their renewal application to a foreign US embassy/consulate and get it back by mail. Akin to calling a US airline's foreign office amid a massive disruption and long wait times.
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Originally Posted by SusanDK
(Post 35210352)
I shall remember this in 9 1/2 years when I next need to renew. :D It's good to know for my husband when his U.S. passport is due for renewal in two years. His Danish passport is due next year and we're going to try to have it renewed this year.
My guess is that they would only be willing to return it by mail to a local address, not return it to a U.S. address. But this could still be an option if one has family at the foreign destination as we do, and can have it delivered to them. OTOH, I do hope that the issues with long wait times this year is an anomaly and this isn't the norm for passport issuance in the U.S. The regulation is that the embassy/consulates can only hold the newly-issued passport/passport card for 90 days, or the passport/passport card gets returned to the US. And for those who tend to apply for a passport and passport card at the same time, the embassy/consulate will typically get the passports back at a different/earlier time than the passport card. Just somethings to keep in mind. |
1. AFAIK, you must apply in person at a mission abroad to get a passport issued, it cannot be done by mail.
2. Some missions do not want people picking up their passports or cards when they come in and have courier arrangements. They will generally only allow to be sent in that country or consular area. 3. Personal experiences/knowledge of last few weeks. I knew someone traveling from LA to Europe, who went the Emergency route, got an emergency appointment next day in LA, and had their passport 4 hours later. 3. GU's assessment of 8 day average in EU is spot on and has as much to do when "pouches" go out as anything else (i.e. if the US Embassy in Brussels gets its pouch sent on Tuesdays and your application is in the system on Monday, you might very well have it back in Brussels on Thursday or Friday, if it goes in on Tuesday and misses the cut off time, it may not get back to the Embassy until the next Tuesday, and sent to you on Wednesday or Thursday.) |
The US embassies/consulates refer to adult passport application renewals by mail as the renewal-by-mail program. It is open and operational in some but not all places. It is open in the two embassies closest to me next week: Denmark and Sweden.
Here is what the US embassy in Stockholm says: https://se.usembassy.gov/renew-a-passport/ The language in the above says this: “IMPORTANT: Include a return address on BOTH the mailing and self-addressed envelope! All envelopes without a return address will be rejected. Be advised that the addressee must present a valid Swedish ID to retrieve registered mail from the designated local delivery location.” But that language is far from being entirely accurate in practice in my experience. Non-Swedish passports are in practice also accepted as ID by those designated local delivery locations for pick up. |
Originally Posted by hfly
(Post 35210892)
1. AFAIK, you must apply in person at a mission abroad to get a passport issued, it cannot be done by mail.
2. Some missions do not want people picking up their passports or cards when they come in and have courier arrangements. They will generally only allow to be sent in that country or consular area. 3. Personal experiences/knowledge of last few weeks. I knew someone traveling from LA to Europe, who went the Emergency route, got an emergency appointment next day in LA, and had their passport 4 hours later. 4. GU's assessment of 8 day average in EU is spot on and has as much to do when "pouches" go out as anything else (i.e. if the US Embassy in Brussels gets its pouch sent on Tuesdays and your application is in the system on Monday, you might very well have it back in Brussels on Thursday or Friday, if it goes in on Tuesday and misses the cut off time, it may not get back to the Embassy until the next Tuesday, and sent to you on Wednesday or Thursday.) Re: #4, absolutely correct on the timing of pouches. My last renewal in 2013 was in my hands less than a week after I dropped the application in the post - no in-person visit required. Re: #3, if one can get an appointment at a location where passports are issued on the spot, this is an option. When I spoke with the agent yesterday, there were no appointments available between now and my planned departure in Miami, my closest location, which is a 4-5 hour drive one way. Walk-ins not permitted. In the article written on April 14 referred up thread (post #2400) by Nick at Frequent Miler, he was unable to get an appt in his state or anywhere close by and the only appointments offered were El Paso or Puerto Rico. So while it is possible in theory to get an emergency passport issued, in reality it is a challenge. Hindsight is great but when I sent off my application together with my old passport in the first week of March and paid for expedited service, it stated that the timeline was 5-7 weeks. Even if mine took the full 7 weeks, I would have still been two weeks away from travel. Three weeks after I applied, the timeline changed from 7-9 weeks, but those in process earlier were supposed to still follow the original 5-7 weeks. Had I even imagined this would be an issue, I would have made different (better) decisions months earlier - like renewing as soon as I returned from my last international trip in October. |
I have no idea what the Specific US Embassy in Denmark (or Sweden)guidelines are, I defer to GU on that one, as I know that there are some missions abroad that no longer accept mail in's, but others may. I would suggest that anyone wanting to do so, inquires of the mission that they are planning to do it at. Looking at the Sweden link above there do seem to be a few caveats though (that it is not your first adult passport, etc)
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First adult passport exclusion is based on having to do DS-11. DS-11s have to be done in-person. For DS-82 eligible applicants, it can be done by mail. US nationals become eligible for DS-82s if they’ve already done a DS-11 after they are 16 years of age. Are there 16 and 17 year olds eligible for DS-82s? Yes, some (but not most); and some such DS-82 eligible teenagers and young adults reapply just because they or their parents don’t like their passport issue or expiration dates or the photo they submitted. [There is no prohibition on applying for a renewal passport even 9 years before expiration date on a 10-year full duration passport.]
SusanDK, Renewal by mail is still around at the embassy in Denmark: https://dk.usembassy.gov/renew-an-adult-passport/ |
tl;dr do not come to the Netherlands (or Belgium) expecting to renew your US passport while on holiday.
The US consular presence in the Netherlands would like you to believe that regular adult passport renewals (DS-82) are in fact ONLY available by mail. No page on https://nl.usembassy.gov describes the process for an in-person DS-82 renewal. It has gone down the memory hole. (The Brussels embassy seems to have also recently (well, since last year) scrubbed their website of information about in-person regular passport renewals and pick-ups as well.) I am pretty sure one can still apply in person with a DS-82 if you make an appointment at the Amsterdam consulate, and come prepared with everything you need - but they expressly do not tell you how. NB - even when you *do* go in person (as I did with my kids' most recent renewals, since those cannot be done by mail), you will still be forced to surrender the current passports and have the new passports delivered by mail unless the vice-consul takes pity on you for truly exigent circumstances; i.e. you have to bring self-addressed, postage-paid return mailers (DHL or PostNL only). Enjoy temporary de-facto statelessness! The reason given is "the Amsterdam consulate is too small to meet demand for in-person appointments and pick-ups." I guess I don't disagree given that something like 3100 appointments per year (12 per business day, excluding holidays) are actually made available to serve the ~35000 US citizens who live in the Netherlands. But it's shameful that the State Department just built a gigantic new US embassy complex built in Wassenaar which.... offers zero in-person consular or US citizen services. In the grand scheme of things, this isn't the worst example of the diminished state capacity of the USA - but as an American living abroad regularly dealing with this clownshow, it's certainly one that hits close to home. |
Originally Posted by berombeu
(Post 35188507)
Wow, that's odd. I also mailed in the renewal application on 4/10. Delivered to Philadelphia on 4/14. Check was cashed on 4/18. Status "in process" on 4/19.
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