US seeks BOG-CLT service
Oct 29, 2007, 6:30 pm
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Bogota? Why not Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo?? Or Mendoza!!!
Oct 29, 2007, 7:24 pm
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Oct 29, 2007, 7:59 pm
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No available frequencies to Sao Paulo, and there is no market to Buenos Aires from any US hub.
It is also extremely unlikely that US Airways is going to be awarded the Charlotte-Bogotá route, as there are many airlines asking for only 21 frequencies.
Delta is applying for 14 frequencies (7 for JFK-BOG, 4 for ATL-MDE, and 3 for ATL-CLO), jetBlue is applying for 14 as well (7 each for MCO-BOG and FLL-BOG), and Spirit is applying for 7 (for FLL-BOG; they are also going to start FLL-BAQ, but Barranquilla is "open skies" so they don't need to apply to fly there). Continental is also going to apply, but has not decided for what. United might also apply for Dulles-Bogotá flights.
It is an absolute given that Spirit Airlines is going to be awarded seven frequencies, because they are the reason that these 21 new frequencies are being offered. They lobbied for the increased bilateral, they plan on serving what is the largest USA-Colombia market (that accounts for roughly half of traffic between Bogotá and the United States), they are a player in Latin America, and they will be offering true low-fare service.
It is also very likely, given the combination of the DOT's tendency to award highly competitive slots to new entrants and low fare carriers, that jetBlue will be awarded seven frequencies.
The final pair will likely be given to an airline that is established in the region, most likely Delta as they will bring either a) US flag carrier service to JFK-BOG or b) service to Medellin and Cali. While it is nice to have as many new airlines as possible enter Colombia, it also is nice allowing current airlines to beef up service so that one or two airlines (i.e. Avianca and American, who combined offer 14 daily flights between Miami and Colombia alone) don't dominate while that others can only be smaller players.
Don't hold your breath on this route happening unless the US and Colombia further expand the air treaty (which the U.S. would love to do, but Colombia rather not).
It is also extremely unlikely that US Airways is going to be awarded the Charlotte-Bogotá route, as there are many airlines asking for only 21 frequencies.
Delta is applying for 14 frequencies (7 for JFK-BOG, 4 for ATL-MDE, and 3 for ATL-CLO), jetBlue is applying for 14 as well (7 each for MCO-BOG and FLL-BOG), and Spirit is applying for 7 (for FLL-BOG; they are also going to start FLL-BAQ, but Barranquilla is "open skies" so they don't need to apply to fly there). Continental is also going to apply, but has not decided for what. United might also apply for Dulles-Bogotá flights.
It is an absolute given that Spirit Airlines is going to be awarded seven frequencies, because they are the reason that these 21 new frequencies are being offered. They lobbied for the increased bilateral, they plan on serving what is the largest USA-Colombia market (that accounts for roughly half of traffic between Bogotá and the United States), they are a player in Latin America, and they will be offering true low-fare service.
It is also very likely, given the combination of the DOT's tendency to award highly competitive slots to new entrants and low fare carriers, that jetBlue will be awarded seven frequencies.
The final pair will likely be given to an airline that is established in the region, most likely Delta as they will bring either a) US flag carrier service to JFK-BOG or b) service to Medellin and Cali. While it is nice to have as many new airlines as possible enter Colombia, it also is nice allowing current airlines to beef up service so that one or two airlines (i.e. Avianca and American, who combined offer 14 daily flights between Miami and Colombia alone) don't dominate while that others can only be smaller players.
Don't hold your breath on this route happening unless the US and Colombia further expand the air treaty (which the U.S. would love to do, but Colombia rather not).
Oct 29, 2007, 9:58 pm
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I'd not be completely surprised if Delta got it, but Delta has also been HUGELY flaky in South America -- charging in, then pulling out, then charging back in again. US probably has more of a sustained presence in the region (but clearly cannot match DL's ability to lobby the feds for goodies, as the merger blow-up showed!)
Oct 30, 2007, 12:17 am
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I'd not be completely surprised if Delta got it, but Delta has also been HUGELY flaky in South America -- charging in, then pulling out, then charging back in again. US probably has more of a sustained presence in the region (but clearly cannot match DL's ability to lobby the feds for goodies, as the merger blow-up showed!)
Oct 30, 2007, 8:23 am
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This should be an interesting "battle" - I'm looking forward to reading the applications and rebuttals.
Oct 30, 2007, 8:24 am
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Latin America is considered part of North America. Therefore, flights to Belize and Costa Rica aren't eligible for *A Gold lounge access.
From the web site:
I wouldn't put it past US to redefine the continental map and try to tell people that Colombia is in North America, but they've already ruined that opportunity by disclosing in this press release that Colombia actually is, in fact, in South America.
They could always revise the club policy.
From the web site:
I wouldn't put it past US to redefine the continental map and try to tell people that Colombia is in North America, but they've already ruined that opportunity by disclosing in this press release that Colombia actually is, in fact, in South America.
They could always revise the club policy.
Dec 10, 2007, 2:38 pm
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http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspubli...ontentType=pdf
Copy of US' submission to the DOT for service to Bogota.
It's proposed to be single plane service, DCA-CLT-BOG.
Copy of US' submission to the DOT for service to Bogota.
It's proposed to be single plane service, DCA-CLT-BOG.
Last edited by Jumpgate; Dec 10, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Mar 5, 2008, 3:53 pm
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The application was rejected today. No surprise there.
Mar 5, 2008, 4:37 pm
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"No 500-mile minimum, no BOG." So says Karma.
Mar 5, 2008, 4:40 pm
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Drats...no crazy nonrevenue trips to BOG on an A319!
Mar 5, 2008, 9:11 pm
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Every airline that applied for service got it except for US and AA.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...be2bb2ae20.htm
I think people in WAS are just as annoyed at US as we are.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...be2bb2ae20.htm
I think people in WAS are just as annoyed at US as we are.
Mar 5, 2008, 9:46 pm
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