When does the ATC call sign differ from the flight number?
Jan 21, 2002 | 12:06 am
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When does the ATC call sign differ from the flight number?
I was on UA 960 LAX-SFO recently. Our call sign was UA 8152 (Channel 9 was on). Does anyone know why?
Jan 21, 2002 | 12:57 am
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Was it the first leg of an int'l flight? That's the only time I've heard this, I think.
Jan 21, 2002 | 2:29 am
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It happens when there would otherwise be two flights in the air at the same time with the same flight number. E.g., UA 875: DEN-SEA-NRT. Flight delayed out of DEN and the flight nevertheless takes off on time out of SEA. The SEA flight would have a different flight number to identify it to air traffic control.
Jan 21, 2002 | 2:56 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Always Flyin:
It happens when there would otherwise be two flights in the air at the same time with the same flight number. E.g., UA 875: DEN-SEA-NRT. Flight delayed out of DEN and the flight nevertheless takes off on time out of SEA. The SEA flight would have a different flight number to identify it to air traffic control.</font>
It happens when there would otherwise be two flights in the air at the same time with the same flight number. E.g., UA 875: DEN-SEA-NRT. Flight delayed out of DEN and the flight nevertheless takes off on time out of SEA. The SEA flight would have a different flight number to identify it to air traffic control.</font>
Jan 21, 2002 | 9:01 am
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Always Flyin is correct, but the call sign could also be changed slightly if there is another flight from another airline with a similar callsign in the same airspace. AA 252 and UA 352, for example. ATC also changes it if they can't get a track started on it on the computer, but usually they would not use that on the radios. When the 8 is added to the front, the airline changed it; if a letter is added to the back, ATC altered it.
Jan 21, 2002 | 9:06 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Hagbard Viking:
I think this practise (of the airlines) of using the same flight number even though there is a planned change of aircraft at an intermediate point is kind of deceptive.</font>
I think this practise (of the airlines) of using the same flight number even though there is a planned change of aircraft at an intermediate point is kind of deceptive.</font>
Jan 21, 2002 | 10:14 am
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I agree the direct flights with plane changes are bad. But what's wrong with codeshares?
Jan 21, 2002 | 12:53 pm
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Little things like no upgrades (SFO-TPE-BKK is Thai operated code-share with a UA flight number from TPE-BKK. Hand in a Systemwide at SFO and it doesn't affect TPE-BKK).
Can't redeem awards on the code share flight.
There really is a whole list of things. The bottom line is that, if it has a UA flight number on it, it should be treated as a UA flight for ALL purposes. It surely isn't.
Can't redeem awards on the code share flight.
There really is a whole list of things. The bottom line is that, if it has a UA flight number on it, it should be treated as a UA flight for ALL purposes. It surely isn't.
Jan 21, 2002 | 1:56 pm
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The purpose of codeshares is to expand an airline's network without having to spend billions of dollars on aircraft, crew, routes, gates, etc. It wouldn't make any sense, and might be illegal, for UA to operate TPE-BKK flights. If you want an upgrade between TPE and BKK, pay Thai the cash. The SWU rules state they are not available on codeshares, so there should be no surprises.
Jan 21, 2002 | 2:31 pm
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I'll say it again, "The bottom line is that, if it has a UA flight number on it, it should be treated as a UA flight for ALL purposes." If they're not willing to do that, it shouldn't have a UA flight number on it.
Jan 21, 2002 | 2:46 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JS:
The purpose of codeshares is to expand an airline's network without having to spend billions of dollars on aircraft, crew, routes, gates, etc.</font>
The purpose of codeshares is to expand an airline's network without having to spend billions of dollars on aircraft, crew, routes, gates, etc.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Always Flyin:
I'll say it again, "The bottom line is that, if it has a UA flight number on it, it should be treated as a UA flight for ALL purposes." If they're not willing to do that, it shouldn't have a UA flight number on it.</font>
I'll say it again, "The bottom line is that, if it has a UA flight number on it, it should be treated as a UA flight for ALL purposes." If they're not willing to do that, it shouldn't have a UA flight number on it.</font>
Jan 21, 2002 | 3:13 pm
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You've got to be kidding. You really expect UA to provide Japanese speaking FA's on UA1230 LAX-LAS (ANA 7202)?
Jan 21, 2002 | 4:21 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JS:
You've got to be kidding. You really expect UA to provide Japanese speaking FA's on UA1230 LAX-LAS (ANA 7202)?</font>
You've got to be kidding. You really expect UA to provide Japanese speaking FA's on UA1230 LAX-LAS (ANA 7202)?</font>
[This message has been edited by Hagbard Viking (edited 01-21-2002).]
Jan 21, 2002 | 9:55 pm
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If they're going to sell it as an ANA code share, yes I do. You take the burdens with the benefits...
Jan 25, 2002 | 2:23 pm
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In a perfect world, it shouldn't matter. The DOT requires airlines to disclose codeshares at time of booking (that screws PAX originating out of the country, I know). The benefits to both PAX and the airlines, to me, way outweigh the negatives of codeshare flights.