Hidden City Risk
Jan 28, 2011, 9:18 am
#106
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Anybody ever suffer a penalty?
There is so much discussion of how these hiden city pairs can lead to revoking of UA elite status, miles, etc, if you do it too often, but has anybody ever heard of this or had it done to them?
Jan 28, 2011, 10:42 am
#107
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There was just a thread a few weeks ago where the poster said that United had reviewed his account and closed it due to this.
Jan 28, 2011, 10:46 am
#108
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Taking the rule as listed above in Post #102, I wonder about this part:
Let's say you're flying SFO-JFK-SFO. Is your "actual destination" considered JFK or SFO? I think most people would say JFK is your destination, meaning a flight like SFO-JFK-SFO-SMF would not violate the rule. Food for thought...
... OR TO A MORE DISTANT POINT(S) THAN THE PASSENGER’S ACTUAL DESTINATION ...
Jan 28, 2011, 10:51 am
#109
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Taking the rule as listed above in Post #102, I wonder about this part:
Let's say you're flying SFO-JFK-SFO. Is your "actual destination" considered JFK or SFO? I think most people would say JFK is your destination, meaning a flight like SFO-JFK-SFO-SMF would not violate the rule. Food for thought...
Let's say you're flying SFO-JFK-SFO. Is your "actual destination" considered JFK or SFO? I think most people would say JFK is your destination, meaning a flight like SFO-JFK-SFO-SMF would not violate the rule. Food for thought...
ARE PUBLISHED." That is the rule, the quoted part by you only explains part of it. It isn't the explanation that counts, rather the rule. It's like saying "No refunds are permitted. If you lose your ticket, it will not be refunded." Even if you don't lose it, there are no refunds, they only exploded an individual part of the bigger encompassing rule for an example or explanation to a common question.
Jan 28, 2011, 10:54 am
#110
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Taking the rule as listed above in Post #102, I wonder about this part:
Let's say you're flying SFO-JFK-SFO. Is your "actual destination" considered JFK or SFO? I think most people would say JFK is your destination, meaning a flight like SFO-JFK-SFO-SMF would not violate the rule. Food for thought...
Let's say you're flying SFO-JFK-SFO. Is your "actual destination" considered JFK or SFO? I think most people would say JFK is your destination, meaning a flight like SFO-JFK-SFO-SMF would not violate the rule. Food for thought...
You have 2 destinations for a round trip. An outbound leg and an inbound leg, thus on your outbound your destination is JFK, for your inbound leg SMF is your destination.
The rest of your ticket is going to be canceled if you miss any segment, thus SMF can be your only throw away, you would have to have a good reason to miss your last segment if questioned. Illness, emergency whatever.
Jan 28, 2011, 11:41 am
#111
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Fair enough. It just seems they could be clearer (or just eliminate the "explanation").
Jan 28, 2011, 5:12 pm
#112
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The key to hidden city ticketing is just to book one-ways. This clearly works LAX-JFK-SJU for instance when intending to fly LAX-JFK (DL). It also works LAS-LAX-JFK when intending to fly LAX-JFK. Missing LAS-LAX a few hours before LAX-JFK, a segment for which you are already OLCIed, does unload you from LAX-JFK. In fact, I believe the remaining itinerary after a missed segment only gets wiped in an end of day batch process.
Jan 28, 2011, 5:24 pm
#113
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The key to hidden city ticketing is just to book one-ways. This clearly works LAX-JFK-SJU for instance when intending to fly LAX-JFK (DL). It also works LAS-LAX-JFK when intending to fly LAX-JFK. Missing LAS-LAX a few hours before LAX-JFK, a segment for which you are already OLCIed, does unload you from LAX-JFK. In fact, I believe the remaining itinerary after a missed segment only gets wiped in an end of day batch process.
Ignoring any possible effect on your UMP account...
1) Correct interpretation?
2) How do you know?
Jan 28, 2011, 5:38 pm
#114
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The key to hidden city ticketing is just to book one-ways. This clearly works LAX-JFK-SJU for instance when intending to fly LAX-JFK (DL). It also works LAS-LAX-JFK when intending to fly LAX-JFK. Missing LAS-LAX a few hours before LAX-JFK, a segment for which you are already OLCIed, does unload you from LAX-JFK. In fact, I believe the remaining itinerary after a missed segment only gets wiped in an end of day batch process.
Yes, your ticket won't get Zeroed out until midnight, but you'll be offloaded from all flights and any decent agent in the connecting city will investigate and refuse a boarding pass.
Jan 28, 2011, 5:48 pm
#115
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blah blah blah, scare tactic. Missing the first segment does not automatically offload a checked-in passenger from the second segment. And if by some stroke of genius by the $30K/yr gate-agent strikes at LAX, then just say something like there was an accident on the 10 coming from Barstow, so I just drove to LAX instead. The chances of denial of boarding are so slight.
Play by the contrived rules of corporations all you want, but let's stop the scare tactics for everyone else. The fine print of corporate terms & conditions does not equal morality. Google through gmail knows who you are screwing outside your marriage, Facebook knows everyone you went grade school with. I take no moral counsel from them (corporations),
Play by the contrived rules of corporations all you want, but let's stop the scare tactics for everyone else. The fine print of corporate terms & conditions does not equal morality. Google through gmail knows who you are screwing outside your marriage, Facebook knows everyone you went grade school with. I take no moral counsel from them (corporations),
Last edited by Colin; Jan 28, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Jan 28, 2011, 6:06 pm
#117
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Yes, it does...when we offload a passenger it offloads them from ALL downline flights.
And if you get an agent who knows what they are doing, they will not check you in. I've witnessed it first hand more than once. Yes, your story may work once or twice, good for you. Just don't complain if you get denied. "Accident" or not, United is not responsible for your alleged tardiness.
Feb 28, 2011, 2:14 pm
#118
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Hello everyone. Has anyone ever tried claiming missing mileage credit for a segment they intentionally missed? If so, what happened? Thanks.
Feb 28, 2011, 2:58 pm
#119
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Don't push your luck.
Feb 28, 2011, 5:09 pm
#120
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Wait....are you suggesting breaking the rules of a ticket, then calling to claim miles should be earned for it? And if successful, would a request be made just after approval to have the account suspended and audited?