Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Help with Winter and Avoiding ORD

 
Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 4:36 pm
  #1  
Original Poster
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: SIN / CNX / SFO
Programs: UA GS, SQ PPS, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, Accor Gold
Posts: 1,253
Help with Winter and Avoiding ORD

I'm taking an important exam that is only offered in a limited number of cities once a year (the JLPT, for the curious) this December 2. When I have taken other levels of the exam in years past, I have always done so in Chicago, but have had narrow misses with ORD weather and missing the exam both times.

This year, for various reasons, I need to make absolutely sure that I actually take the test. In addition, while in the past I have always allowed myself a buffer day (leaving myself an extra day before I need to be there), that isn't going to be an option this time.

I'm in CLE, and I need to get to leave in the afternoon/evening on Dec 1 to arrive in either ATL, DCA, HNL, SFO, LAX, or NYC in time for an exam in the early afternoon on Dec 2. Using UA or US, if possible.

I don't have nearly as much experience with this sort of thing as many on here, so I figure I would ask for some advice for what the best way to do this is without getting grounded due to bad weather.

Thanks in advance!
Scifience is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 4:44 pm
  #2  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
20 Countries Visited
2M
50 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: GVA (Greater Vancouver Area)
Programs: D.R.E.A.D. Gold card holder
Posts: 53,195
On UA, I would say your best best is a non-stop to IAD.
mahasamatman is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 4:56 pm
  #3  
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: SFO
Programs: UA 1K MM, Marriott Gold
Posts: 4,848
Were your narrow-misses around the first of December too? That's really pre-snow season, and IAD is far more of a wreck if they get snow than ORD. If you stick with mainline flights, you greatly reduce your risk of getting cancelled/severely delayed (not that it's not possible).
JAaronT is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 5:08 pm
  #4  
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Cape Cod MA
Programs: GS, 3 MM, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 755
Originally Posted by Scifience
I'm taking an important exam that is only offered in a limited number of cities once a year (the JLPT, for the curious) this December 2. When I have taken other levels of the exam in years past, I have always done so in Chicago, but have had narrow misses with ORD weather and missing the exam both times.

This year, for various reasons, I need to make absolutely sure that I actually take the test. In addition, while in the past I have always allowed myself a buffer day (leaving myself an extra day before I need to be there), that isn't going to be an option this time.

I'm in CLE, and I need to get to leave in the afternoon/evening on Dec 1 to arrive in either ATL, DCA, HNL, SFO, LAX, or NYC in time for an exam in the early afternoon on Dec 2. Using UA or US, if possible.

I don't have nearly as much experience with this sort of thing as many on here, so I figure I would ask for some advice for what the best way to do this is without getting grounded due to bad weather.

Thanks in advance!
If this trip is as important as you describe and if you can afford changeable tickets. I suggest you make two comletely refundable flight reservations - preferably morning flights. One to DC and one to ATL. Take the one that is on time and if both are late, start driving to NYC.
nigos is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 5:09 pm
  #5  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: MileagePlus Premier Gold
Posts: 11,522
Originally Posted by JAaronT
Were your narrow-misses around the first of December too? That's really pre-snow season, and IAD is far more of a wreck if they get snow than ORD. If you stick with mainline flights, you greatly reduce your risk of getting cancelled/severely delayed (not that it's not possible).
It's kind of a mixed bag.

For example, we did get snow on December 1 in 2006, 2005, 2004... but not much of the same in previous years dating back to 1997.

December 1 dates in past 10 years:

2006 - Snow (low: 19, high: 36)
2005 - Snow (low: 19, high: 28)
2004 - Snow (low: 27, high: 33)
2003 - No snow or rain (low: 30, high: 41)
2002 - No snow or rain (low: 14, high: 36)
2001 - Rain (low: 35, high: 42)
2000 - Rain and snow (low: 34, high: 37)
1999 - No snow or rain (low: 30, high: 45)
1998 - No snow or rain (low: 36, high: 57)
1997 - Rain (low: 37, high: 41)
UnitedSkies is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 5:25 pm
  #6  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Programs: Marriott plat, DL Diamond
Posts: 309
DC is a 6 hour drive from Cleveland.. I would book a flight and keep this as a backup.. Better yet, just drive..
DZMAN is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 5:26 pm
  #7  
Original Poster
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: SIN / CNX / SFO
Programs: UA GS, SQ PPS, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, Accor Gold
Posts: 1,253
Originally Posted by nigos
If this trip is as important as you describe and if you can afford changeable tickets. I suggest you make two comletely refundable flight reservations - preferably morning flights. One to DC and one to ATL. Take the one that is on time and if both are late, start driving to NYC.
Unfortunately, I can only register for the exam in one city, or I would do just that.
Scifience is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 5:37 pm
  #8  
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: SFO
Programs: UA 1K MM, Marriott Gold
Posts: 4,848
Originally Posted by UnitedSkies
It's kind of a mixed bag.

For example, we did get snow on December 1 in 2006, 2005, 2004... but not much of the same in previous years dating back to 1997.

December 1 dates in past 10 years:

2006 - Snow (low: 19, high: 36)
2005 - Snow (low: 19, high: 28)
2004 - Snow (low: 27, high: 33)
2003 - No snow or rain (low: 30, high: 41)
2002 - No snow or rain (low: 14, high: 36)
2001 - Rain (low: 35, high: 42)
2000 - Rain and snow (low: 34, high: 37)
1999 - No snow or rain (low: 30, high: 45)
1998 - No snow or rain (low: 36, high: 57)
1997 - Rain (low: 37, high: 41)
Hmm, it'd be interesting to see a similar analysis for IAD.
JAaronT is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 5:46 pm
  #9  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: MileagePlus Premier Gold
Posts: 11,522
Originally Posted by JAaronT
Hmm, it'd be interesting to see a similar analysis for IAD.
IAD weather history on December 1 dates in past 10 years:

2006 - Rain (low: 43, high: 75)
2005 - Rain (low: 28, high: 42)
2004 - Rain (low: 35, high: 56)
2003 - No snow or rain (low: 35, high: 54)
2002 - No snow or rain (low: 21, high: 36)
2001 - Fog (low: 48, high: 72)
2000 - No snow or rain (low: 27, high: 46)
1999 - No snow or rain (low: 23, high: 37)
1998 - No snow or rain (low: 37, high: 64)
1997 - No snow or rain (low: 34, high: 48)
UnitedSkies is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 5:46 pm
  #10  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
25 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 20,405
Definitely do DC. Worse comes to worst, you can just drive.
UNITED959 is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 7:04 pm
  #11  
In memoriam
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Seattle WA
Programs: Kimpton IC, Hyatt Diamond, Gold Marriott, Lifetime Platinum Starwood
Posts: 8,664
you're in CLE and can take the test in DCA? Why not take Amtrak or Greyhound? If it's that important to you I wouldn't chance it to the airlines - too many factors out of your control. You probably don't want to drive due to the time and using Amtrak or Greyhound gives you additional time to study/sleep on your way to the test.
ldsant is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 7:07 pm
  #12  
Original Member
1M
40 Countries Visited
100 Nights
25 Years on Site
 
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,204
Hate to say this, if the exam is this important to you I would look into a non-stop option. You never know what the airports will be like in Dec, and even if you avoid ORD and fly to IAD the aircraft or crew could be affected as the weather causes problems elsewhere in the system.
ncorman is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 7:10 pm
  #13  
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: TUS and any place close to a lav
Programs: UA 1.7MM
Posts: 5,424
Originally Posted by UNITED959
Definitely do DC. Worse comes to worst, you can just drive.
Concur with UA959. However, IAD-CLE is an express route. So, if there are any delays or issues at IAD, you can bet your dollar that the UX flights are going to be delayed/held/canceled to make room for the mainline flights.

UA7158 12/1 CLE 6:20 AM IAD 7:32 AM CRJ 1h12m
UA7159 12/1 CLE 10:25AM IAD 11:34AM CRJ 1h09m
UA7163 12/1 CLE 2:26 PM IAD 3:46 PM CRJ 1h20m
UA7135 12/1 CLE 7:05 PM IAD 8:28 PM CRJ 1h23m
I'd book the 10.25 if you can. Otherwise, the 2.26 flight, but then you might hit some rush-hour traffic getting from IAD to DCA. Don't book the 7.05, that'd be too late to drive there (from CLE) if something goes wrong.
warreng24 is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 7:11 pm
  #14  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: SNA
Programs: UA Million Mile Nobody, Marriott Platinum Elite, SPG Gold
Posts: 25,228
Trying to predict the weather 24 hours out is a leap. 5 Months out? Why are you wasting your effort and sanity trying to do that?

Buy a ticket, mainline if possible, as the prior post was correct about cancellations. Then the week before start checking 7 to 10 day weather forecasts. If it looks bad THEN you can start looking for alternatives. Buy a train ticket, maybe even your plans will allow for driving the day before. But trying to predict flights and weather delays now? Weather at both ORD and IAD could be perfect, and your flight still delayed because of bad weather in DEN. WAY too many possible scenarios to try. Buy a ticket and have a little faith.
flyinbob is offline  
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 7:12 pm
  #15  
Original Poster
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: SIN / CNX / SFO
Programs: UA GS, SQ PPS, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, Accor Gold
Posts: 1,253
Originally Posted by ldsant
you're in CLE and can take the test in DCA? Why not take Amtrak or Greyhound? If it's that important to you I wouldn't chance it to the airlines - too many factors out of your control. You probably don't want to drive due to the time and using Amtrak or Greyhound gives you additional time to study/sleep on your way to the test.
I'd love to: but unfortunately, the Amtrak trains all leave at ungodly hours of the morning and don't arrive until afternoon. In my case, I have another exam in the morning on December 1 and the exam in DC on the 2nd starts in the early afternoon. Amtrak just isn't practical due to their odd scheduling, unfortunately.

As to Greyhound, I'm just not too keen on bus travel.

But I definitely appreciate the suggestions!
Scifience is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.