e-certs are worthless
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Originally Posted by WindFlyer
Psst, did you know that you can adjust your preferences and set a 'quiet period' to avoid exactly that kind of wake-update? 

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Originally Posted by jasonvr
I do believe the poster is referring to the fact that sometimes the computer messes up and ignores the "quiet" period.
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Originally Posted by WindFlyer
You may be right... I certainly did not draw that inference from what she said.
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Originally Posted by jasonvr
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I focused too much on the following sentence
I had thought you were implying that all "dollar off" certs were restricted against Internet fares which is not the case. Didn't want people to just assume that their T&C's would be the same because their certs are "dollar off" certs.
That being said, I have experienced many failures where all fares should be eligible, and are marked as such with the little green star, but yet the website still fails miserably with the ubiquitous "I found a lower fare that is not e-Cert eligible" message which is of course impossible because all fares should be eligible.
Eventhough we may have miscommunications via the things that we type, I think we can all agree that United.com needs a major overhaul in the area of e-Certs (as well as many other places as evidenced by the fact that we now have a sticky thread dedicated to it)
I had thought you were implying that all "dollar off" certs were restricted against Internet fares which is not the case. Didn't want people to just assume that their T&C's would be the same because their certs are "dollar off" certs.
That being said, I have experienced many failures where all fares should be eligible, and are marked as such with the little green star, but yet the website still fails miserably with the ubiquitous "I found a lower fare that is not e-Cert eligible" message which is of course impossible because all fares should be eligible.
Eventhough we may have miscommunications via the things that we type, I think we can all agree that United.com needs a major overhaul in the area of e-Certs (as well as many other places as evidenced by the fact that we now have a sticky thread dedicated to it)
To reiterate what I've said here and on the other relevant threads: Sometimes the website works fine with e-certs and sometimes it screws up horribly.
And as for WindFlyer's question about "multi-city" itineraries (that are in reality roundtrips), I gave up trying to use that option because the website seemed to be programmed to automatically reject it as ineligible. I don't know if this has been fixed; it's been a while since I tried it.
BTW, a workaround I use to get the website to show more of the possible itineraries is to edit the URL: I change the "air_avail" parameter to make it larger than the normal 20 (or 10 or 5). This is a suggestion made by another FTer (whose name I can't recall now). Unfortunately, even if air_avail is set to a very high number, like 200 or even more, it doesn't magically show ALL possible itineraries. But at least it will usually show MORE of them.
And I should add by way of explanation as to how I was able to have so much success with my ten e-certs, given the website malfunctioning: First of all, many of my trips were mileage runs, and they were all discretionary. So if one itinerary and/or destination and/or date didn't work, I would try different ones. And/or I would come back to the website later and try again. It really took a lot of persistence, a truly unreasonable amount of persistence in fact. I don't think the average consumer should be expected to go through that to redeem e-certs!!!
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Originally Posted by KathyWdrf
And as for WindFlyer's question about "multi-city" itineraries (that are in reality roundtrips), I gave up trying to use that option because the website seemed to be programmed to automatically reject it as ineligible. I don't know if this has been fixed; it's been a while since I tried it.
-Edit: My mistake, I tried with a %off cert, not a $ off cert as WindFlyer was asking about. I don't have any $ off certs available to test.
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Originally Posted by KathyWdrf
And as for WindFlyer's question about "multi-city" itineraries (that are in reality roundtrips), I gave up trying to use that option because the website seemed to be programmed to automatically reject it as ineligible. I don't know if this has been fixed; it's been a while since I tried it.
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An update to all who care, I just got an updated E-Ticket receipt from UA reflecting the $100 e-cert.
It seems as if a new ticket number was issued. Will I still earn the 1,000 mile online booking bonus and the double miles per the United M+ Visa promotion?
It seems as if a new ticket number was issued. Will I still earn the 1,000 mile online booking bonus and the double miles per the United M+ Visa promotion?
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Originally Posted by 90minfromJFK-CDG
You're kidding right? Conspiracy to commit fraud?
You ought to rethink this or just stop flying UA if not getting a $25-50 discount ruffles your plume so much.
I'm going to presume that you're gonna say its the principle of the matter, but I think that's a bunk way to cover for being sore about not getting the discount.
I do have some encourging news. I will edit this post to the link when I have posted it. Give me 15 minutes, I type slow.
See http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...8&postcount=57 for the good news.
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Originally Posted by KathyWdrf
And as for WindFlyer's question about "multi-city" itineraries (that are in reality roundtrips), I gave up trying to use that option because the website seemed to be programmed to automatically reject it as ineligible. I don't know if this has been fixed; it's been a while since I tried it.
My problem has been that ual.com often chokes on something like an SFO-GRU/GIG/EZE R/T (it gives me RG codeshares, or can't find anything and asks me to look for 'bigger cities' or something like that), even if I change the url to ge 50 flight choices. The workaround, of course, has been to specify the route via 'multi-city.'
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I had despaired of using two $100 CR certs until I was booking online a PDX-MIA flight for mid-January. It easily let me apply one for my flight but since my wife actually uses her own name I had to set up a separate PNR for her and then it refused to honor the second e-cert and I gave up and paid the full fare rather than risk losing the same flights for us both.
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Originally Posted by coastda
I had despaired of using two $100 CR certs until I was booking online a PDX-MIA flight for mid-January. It easily let me apply one for my flight but since my wife actually uses her own name I had to set up a separate PNR for her and then it refused to honor the second e-cert and I gave up and paid the full fare rather than risk losing the same flights for us both.
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Originally Posted by jasonvr
I just tried one and it got rejected with a message about the cert only being good for roundtrips.
-Edit: My mistake, I tried with a %off cert, not a $ off cert as WindFlyer was asking about. I don't have any $ off certs available to test.
-Edit: My mistake, I tried with a %off cert, not a $ off cert as WindFlyer was asking about. I don't have any $ off certs available to test.
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Originally Posted by drjhwang
I recently tried using an entertainment book e-cert ($ off), and united.com gave me the same error message whenever I tried to create a multicity booking. When I called United phone support, they said my routing (BOS-SFO-PDX-SEA-PDX-SFO-BOS) was "not a roundtrip" because the stops weren't in hub cities and therefore did not qualify for a discount.
"roundtrip travel is defined as travel from an origin city to a destination city with return travel beginning in the outbound destination city back to the first origin city"
I would say your flights qualify under ths definition (which I know is not binding because it is part of a promo). I will tout the FT motto, keep calling until you get someone who will give you the answer you are looking for.
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Originally Posted by FightingIlliniUAL
An update to all who care, I just got an updated E-Ticket receipt from UA reflecting the $100 e-cert.
It seems as if a new ticket number was issued. Will I still earn the 1,000 mile online booking bonus and the double miles per the United M+ Visa promotion?
It seems as if a new ticket number was issued. Will I still earn the 1,000 mile online booking bonus and the double miles per the United M+ Visa promotion?
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