Position on the Upgrade Waitlist
Jun 1, 2003 | 8:27 pm
#1
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Position on the Upgrade Waitlist
Just talked to an agent and she told me that the postion on the upgrade list is based on first by Status then by how many miles flown as of the flight. Is this correct? I always thought that it is Status, then SWU,... -- am I wrong?
Thanks
Thanks
Jun 1, 2003 | 8:57 pm
#2
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 33
I am not 100% sure of this but I think it's
as follows:
1. status
2. fare basis
3. miles flown YTD
4. time on waitlist
as follows:
1. status
2. fare basis
3. miles flown YTD
4. time on waitlist
Jun 2, 2003 | 1:09 am
#3
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Plano, TX
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YTD miles are not officially one of the criteria used to determine position on the waitlist but some gate agents might use it.
The official criteria are, in order:
1. Status
2. Fare Paid
3. Time Added to DM List
The official criteria are, in order:
1. Status
2. Fare Paid
3. Time Added to DM List
Jun 2, 2003 | 1:54 am
#4
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bellevue, WA, USA
Posts: 638
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ctls:
I am not 100% sure of this but I think it's
as follows:
1. status
2. fare basis
3. miles flown YTD
4. time on waitlist</font>
I am not 100% sure of this but I think it's
as follows:
1. status
2. fare basis
3. miles flown YTD
4. time on waitlist</font>
#3 I've not heard of, but either it or #4 make a passenger unique (actually not quite, but for two passengers to have identical YTD mileage is low). So it is unnecessary to have them both. I believe that #4 is not time added to DM list, but the ordering in the DM list. The computers won't allow multiple people to have the same position in the list even though it might be perceived that they're added at the same time (even down to the second).
[This message has been edited by corwinsl (edited 06-02-2003).]
Jun 2, 2003 | 11:16 am
#5
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by UA_Sycophant:
YTD miles are not officially one of the criteria used to determine position on the waitlist but some gate agents might use it.
The official criteria are, in order:
1. Status
2. Fare Paid
3. Time Added to DM List</font>
YTD miles are not officially one of the criteria used to determine position on the waitlist but some gate agents might use it.
The official criteria are, in order:
1. Status
2. Fare Paid
3. Time Added to DM List</font>
Jun 2, 2003 | 12:53 pm
#6
Join Date: Dec 2002
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The list looks correct to me, but I believe there is another tie breaker in here too. Supposidely the method of payment for the upgrade also affects who gets the upgrade. If you are paying with "miles" you trump the 500 mile certs. I believe Miles also trumps SWU, which trump the 500 mile certs. In other words, a 1K on a M fare using miles should trump a 1K on a M fare using a SWU, or 500 mile certs. Now this may already show up in the placement on the DM list. However, numerous UA folks have told me that the best way to ensure the upgrade chances is to use miles. Now of course I could be totally wrong.
Jun 2, 2003 | 1:19 pm
#7
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by MSY-MSP:
Now of course I could be totally wrong. </font>
Now of course I could be totally wrong. </font>
I agree with that.
Jun 2, 2003 | 1:42 pm
#8
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by MSY-MSP:
Now of course I could be totally wrong. </font>
Now of course I could be totally wrong. </font>
Jun 2, 2003 | 2:06 pm
#9
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"I believe Miles also trumps SWU"
Is this true - I always thought SWU has the highest priority.
Is this true - I always thought SWU has the highest priority.
Jun 2, 2003 | 2:07 pm
#10
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Mahwah
Posts: 22
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ctls:
I am not 100% sure of this but I think it's
as follows:
1. status
2. fare basis
3. miles flown YTD
4. time on waitlist</font>
I am not 100% sure of this but I think it's
as follows:
1. status
2. fare basis
3. miles flown YTD
4. time on waitlist</font>
Jun 2, 2003 | 2:13 pm
#11
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Mahwah
Posts: 22
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ctls:
I am not 100% sure of this but I think it's
as follows:
1. status
2. fare basis
3. miles flown YTD
4. time on waitlist</font>
I am not 100% sure of this but I think it's
as follows:
1. status
2. fare basis
3. miles flown YTD
4. time on waitlist</font>
This 'pecking' order is ****. I never earn enought flight miles to get status, but have enough point for upgrades (miles/partner programs). I ask for upgrades MONTHS in advace, AND use HARDEARNED points. Yet get upgrades once every blue moon. Some elite freq flyer always gets in before us because of this **** preferential order.
When I dont get the upgrade, i'm always told 'oh important to us 100K members get first choice'. Whats the point of the points if I cant use them because some 100K member gets his free upgrade when he asked hours before the flight. I have points to use dam it.
Nick
Jun 2, 2003 | 2:18 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by biship:
I know all you 'status' members won't care as you are in favour here, but here is my 2c's from a NON status flyer.
This 'pecking' order is ****. I never earn enought flight miles to get status, but have enough point for upgrades (miles/partner programs). I ask for upgrades MONTHS in advace, AND use HARDEARNED points. Yet get upgrades once every blue moon. Some elite freq flyer always gets in before us because of this **** preferential order.
When I dont get the upgrade, i'm always told 'oh important to us 100K members get first choice'. Whats the point of the points if I cant use them because some 100K member gets his free upgrade when he asked hours before the flight. I have points to use dam it.
Nick</font>
I know all you 'status' members won't care as you are in favour here, but here is my 2c's from a NON status flyer.
This 'pecking' order is ****. I never earn enought flight miles to get status, but have enough point for upgrades (miles/partner programs). I ask for upgrades MONTHS in advace, AND use HARDEARNED points. Yet get upgrades once every blue moon. Some elite freq flyer always gets in before us because of this **** preferential order.
When I dont get the upgrade, i'm always told 'oh important to us 100K members get first choice'. Whats the point of the points if I cant use them because some 100K member gets his free upgrade when he asked hours before the flight. I have points to use dam it.
Nick</font>
Jun 2, 2003 | 2:19 pm
#13
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Biship
Even as a non-status member using miles to upgrade. If you ask at time of booking and space is available you get it, no if ands or buts. If space is not available at time of request then it has to go by pecking order. This the what you will face on about any airline. Sorry but that is the way it is.
Even as a non-status member using miles to upgrade. If you ask at time of booking and space is available you get it, no if ands or buts. If space is not available at time of request then it has to go by pecking order. This the what you will face on about any airline. Sorry but that is the way it is.
Jun 2, 2003 | 2:50 pm
#14
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Mahwah
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Baze:
Biship
Even as a non-status member using miles to upgrade. If you ask at time of booking and space is available you get it, no if ands or buts. If space is not available at time of request then it has to go by pecking order. This the what you will face on about any airline. Sorry but that is the way it is.</font>
Biship
Even as a non-status member using miles to upgrade. If you ask at time of booking and space is available you get it, no if ands or buts. If space is not available at time of request then it has to go by pecking order. This the what you will face on about any airline. Sorry but that is the way it is.</font>
I just do not understand why status members should get free upgrades when us using points can't get upgrades. I agree, all airlines do this. AIRNZ is the worst. Non status members get told not to board, yet wait during boarding - if your name is called, you get an upgrade.
Nick
[This message has been edited by biship (edited 06-02-2003).]
Jun 2, 2003 | 2:56 pm
#15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by UA_Sycophant:
YTD miles are not officially one of the criteria used to determine position on the waitlist but some gate agents might use it.
The official criteria are, in order:
1. Status
2. Fare Paid
3. Time Added to DM List</font>
YTD miles are not officially one of the criteria used to determine position on the waitlist but some gate agents might use it.
The official criteria are, in order:
1. Status
2. Fare Paid
3. Time Added to DM List</font>
The list above is correct. Obviously, time added to the DM list is the official tie-breaker.