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Old Jul 6, 2013, 11:41 am
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THIS PROGRAM APPEARS TO HAVE ENDED IN EARLY 2020.

Overview


Prior to 2020, Amtrak operated a codeshare program with United. The codeshare program permits passengers to connect via Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with train service to/from these train stations:
  • ZFV – Philadelphia 30th Street
  • ZTF – Stamford, CT
  • ZVE – New Haven, CT
  • ZWI – Wilmington, DE

(NB: Codeshare trains are not available from Washington, DC or Boston, MA.)

These destinations are all along Amtrak's Northeast Corridor (NEC) line. The most popular codeshare origin/destination is ZFV (30th Street Train Station in Philadelphia, PA) since fares that are valid to PHL are often also valid to ZFV, and they can be quite cheap.

The codeshare trains are regular scheduled trains on Amtrak's Northeast Regional service. The trains stop at the Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) rail link station, where passengers can board the AirTrain (monorail) to the terminals and proceed to your connecting flight. Passengers in possession of an Amtrak ticket, including through the codeshare program, travel on the AirTrain for free.

Earning Miles (PQMs/PQSs, PQDs, and RDMs) on Amtrak

Codeshare train segments earn 325/250 RDMs (depending on purchased fare class -- see link), 0 PQMs/PQSs, and 0 PQDs one-way. (Note: This is a change from the pre-merger days (Continental Airlines) where you would earn EQMs.) You will only earn these miles by actually riding the train.

You can also earn Mileage Plus RDM miles on Amtrak via Acela Express. See more details at the following URL:
http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/Mark...es/Amtrak.aspx

Other General Pointers

Here are a few important points that have been mentioned in this thread:
  • The train tickets are for the coach section only.
  • United codeshare tickets operated by Amtrak are not valid on any other train (including Acela) besides your scheduled ticketed train as all trains on the NEC are reserved.
  • It takes approximately 10 minutes (once you board) to travel between the Newark Airport Rail Station and Terminal C via the Airtrain (monorail).
  • If you plan to do anything other than take the train exactly as ticketed (e.g., skip the train, pick up tickets at a different station, etc.), you need to be careful. Details on this issue are below.
  • Misconnections between Amtrak and Newark will be accommodated in the same manner as if you had taken a flight segment and were not able to make your connecting flight. Simply explain to the EWR agent that you're connecting to/from Amtrak.

Checked Luggage

Train to Plane
There is no luggage transfer service between the train and Newark Airport (EWR). You must take your luggage to the same check-in point you would normally use--skycap, ticket counter, etc. Your baggage will not be transferred from the train to your flight. (Amtrak trains serving EWR do not have checked baggage service, and so you'll need to carry your bags onto and off of the train anyway.)

Plane to Train
When your flight arrives at EWR, your bags will only be checked to EWR (airport) and you must claim your luggage at the baggage claim. Once you have claimed your bags, proceed to the airport train station via the AirTrain (last stop, after P4). There is no checked baggage service on Amtrak trains at the EWR train station, but overhead luggage racks offer generous amounts of space, and many cars have an oversized luggage rack at one of the ends of the car (near the restrooms).

Printing Your Ticket

Online check-in through United will give you a "fake" boarding pass for the train segments. This "fake" boarding pass is not valid for transportation on Amtrak. You must obtain your train ticket from the Amtrak Quik-Trak machine or Amtrak agent at the train station of your departure and at Newark Airport train station for your return.

ZFV, ZTF, ZVE, ZWI
To pick up your ticket, go to an Amtrak kiosk on the same calendar day as your departure (won't work on the day before, even if within 24h) and swipe your credit card/ID. Tap 'Pick Up Ticket' (Or something to that effect), then 'Codeshare', then 'United Air/Rail Customer' and input your train's UA-coded 'flight' number, usually a 66XX number. It will locate your record and spit out your train ticket and a receipt, if you wish.

Other Stations
Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL with your time/date and train number that you will be traveling to obtain your Amtrak Passenger Name Record (PNR). Keep in mind that this is not the same as your United reservation number! You must call to get the Amtrak PNR. Once you have that information, you may go to any Quik-Trak machine (such as Penn Station) to print your Amtrak ticket.

Skipping ZFV-EWR/EWR-ZFV Segment

The purpose of the Amtrak codeshare is to provide service for those who are traveling to or from the codeshare-eligible cities. Frequently abusing the Amtrak codeshare program to travel to or from EWR while skipping the Amtrak segment puts one at risk to you (like losing your MileagePlus account) as well as jeopardize the continuation of the program.

All of that said, sometimes there are situations where you might not end up wanting to take the train. If you do so, you will almost certainly want to book the trip as two one-ways. Fares to/from ZFV are usually one-way fares, so this will not make your trip more expensive.

The scenarios below are categorized as low-risk, medium-risk, or high-risk.
  • Low-risk scenarios are unlikely to result in cancelled segments; the risks here include UA coming after you if you do it frequently, and the possibility of being routed directly to PHL in IRROPS.
  • Medium-risk scenarios are those where some people have reported cancelled segments, particularly if there is enough lag time between the Amtrak segment and one or more of the United segments for the systems to sync up; sometimes you can get an agent to reinstate canceled segments/trip for no charge but seating assignment and upgrades will probably be lost.
  • High-risk scenarios are those where some segments are almost certain to be cancelled.


Here are the scenarios:
  • Booking One Way or Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, boarding ZFV-EWR downline (e.g. at TRE or MET) - No risk (subject to obtaining your train ticket--see below)
  • Booking One Way: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking One Way: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX -OR- XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR and EWR-ZFV - High-risk

Frequently Asked Questions


Can I benefit from a schedule change?
If there is a schedule change, you can ask United to drop the ZFV-EWR segment. For example: I'm EWR based, but was "flying" ZFV-EWR-XXX. Originally, I had a 1 hour, 40 minute layover @ EWR, which got changed to a 1 hour 10 minute layover. I said I wasn't comfortable with that short of a connection time (since you have to take the monorail and clear security). I was able to drop the first segment (ZFV-EWR) without any trouble (and thus avoiding a "re-position" to ZFV).

Why would I want to book a train segment instead of just ticketing from Newark?
The best reason is that you actually want to get to one of the codeshare cities! Of course, there are also less straightforward reasons. Due to the competitive airline markets -- especially Philadelphia -- the ticket prices are often much less expensive using the train segments and a “connection” at the Newark Rail Station. Often times, other rail station ticketing points have fares that are less expensive than ticketing directly from EWR.

Can I obtain my Amtrak ticket at another location – say NY Penn Station?
According to the official rules, no. Quik-Trak machines not at codeshare stations (ZFV, ZWI, etc.) will not natively print codeshare tickets. Members here have reported mixed success in obtaining their Amtrak tickets from Amtrak ticket offices.

Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL to ensure your reservation is in their system before attempting to obtain your ticket at an Amtrak ticket office. United train segments are generally placed in the Amtrak system 24-48 hours in advance of your travel (the official policy is 36 hours, but others have reported that conflicts with reality and is often less than a day in advance). When you call Amtrak, you will need to know your train number and date of travel. The Amtrak phone agent can give you the Amtrak confirmation code (PNR, different from your United PNR), which may be helpful when picking up your ticket--you might be able to get non-codeshare-station Quik-Trak machines to print your ticket using this confirmation number.

When dealing with a human ticket agent, most Amtrak ticketing personnel are not familiar with these type of tickets and will need the “assistance” of the Amtrak support desk, generally, to issue your ticket.

If you cannot obtain your paper ticket in advance, you may have luck having the conductor search for you by name after you board the train. You can also give the conductor the Amtrak PNR you obtained by phone, but conductors seem to prefer looking by name anyway. Note that at some staffed stations (like Philadelphia and New York Penn), gate agents will not let you onto the boarding platform without a valid ticket. Additionally, when you arrive at EWR, you won't be able to proceed through the gate to board the AirTrain without either a valid Amtrak ticket or a New Jersey Transit AirTrain Access Fee ticket, which can be bought inside the EWR station for $5.50.

I want to drive/taxi/walk to the airport, do I actually have to obtain my ticket in Philadelphia and ride the train?
Technically, you are supposed to ride the train. If you fail to print your train ticket from an Amtrak kiosk prior to the train's scheduled departure from ZFV, your UA reservation will be cancelled. (Note: this may have changed since Amtrak's changeover to e-ticketing, since printing a paper boarding pass no longer affects the reservation's ticketed/unticketed status.) If you pick up your ticket but then fail to have a conductor scan your ticket, the remainder of your United flight reservation will likely be canceled within 24 hours and possibly sooner.

Can I board the train at a different point than PHL if I have my train ticket?
YES! You can board the train at any station along the way – Metropark, Princeton Junction, or (if you are traveling from points North) even New York Penn Station.

Can I pay the difference in Amtrak fare to travel beyond the point to which I am ticketed?
No. (Confirmed as no longer true by FlyerTalk's Amtrak lurker, AGR Insider, in this thread.)

Much of the information in this wiki was originally put together by FlyerTalk user martig4. Some of the FAQ information dates back to 2004 and could be no longer applicable, so please feel free to edit this wiki and help ensure its contents contain the most up-to-date information!

Known Issues

The Amtrak codeshare is pretty great. But there are certain aspects that make taking the train-plane tougher than your garden-variety connecting flight. In hopes that some of these might be able to get fixed, here's a short list of them:
  • The eTicket for the Amtrak segment must be retrieved from a QuikTrak machine or a knowledgable Amtrak station agent, close in to the train trip.
  • The Amtrak confirmation number (which is useful for picking up the train ticket) is not provided by United.
  • Certain electronic reservation functions (like app boarding passes and automated SDC) are disabled when there is a remaining unused Amtrak segment in a reservation.
  • Occasionally, the Amtrak ticket disappears entirely, and neither Amtrak nor United admit that it's their fault. At its worst, this means getting on the train with the risk that the conductor won't accept whatever documentation you have.
  • Sometimes, the ticket shows up in Amtrak's system as unpaid.
  • Amtrak agents (except station agents at the high-traffic codeshare stations) and United agents (even at EWR) are often ignorant about the program.
  • The red phone at the EWR Amtrak station, which can be used to contact a good agent if the EWR ticket desk is unmanned, has a 10-minute call cut-off.

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Old Sep 9, 2019, 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by Hal Schirmer
Well, here's what I experienced.


1) Outbound trip, I had to scan the Amtrak ticket to get through the AirTrain gates.
2) Inbound trip, I had to scan the Amtrak return ticket to get through the Amtrak gates and over to the elevator/escalator to the Amtrak/NJT platforms.
3) I don't recall whether I had to scan the Amtrak ticket to get past the AirTrain gates.
4) However, there were 2 paris of people who were at the Amtrak Kiosk, desparately trying to print out tickets.

The trick is to skip the lookup "by reservation number" and lookup "by destination."
That seemed to work for everyone.

Also, although I HAD pre-printed my Amtrak tickets BEFORE the return flight, the EWR Amtrak Kiosk printed out another set of tickets by doing the "lookup by destination" .
ne always has to scan a ticket to go between the airtran and the real trains. This applies in both directions. And yes, the Amtrak kiosk is often the source of problems. The lack of an Amtrak agent at the station adds to the ire of those who have problems with the kiosk. There is nothing new in any of this. The Amtrak agents have been gone for a while now.
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
There is nothing new in any of this. The Amtrak agents have been gone for a while now.
True, but this was MY first time using this arrangement, so it was NEW TO ME.
I'm just passing along what I found.
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5 minute transfer @ ZTF

Hello, I have a 5 minute transfer at ZTF that takes me from the train from New Haven to the train from Newark - has anyone done this? Is the 5 minute layover enough time?
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Originally Posted by pmk123456
Hello, I have a 5 minute transfer at ZTF that takes me from the train from New Haven to the train from Newark - has anyone done this? Is the 5 minute layover enough time?
I can't say from personal experience but those cross platform transfers are typically well timed by Amtrak. I remember we arriving at a station in route to Newark from Boston, and we had waited until another train arrived and passengers boarded then we departed
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Originally Posted by pmk123456
Hello, I have a 5 minute transfer at ZTF that takes me from the train from New Haven to the train from Newark - has anyone done this? Is the 5 minute layover enough time?
I'm a bit confused, as all the soutbound Amtrak trains that stop in Stamford also stop in New Haven. If you are embarking in New Haven, why aren't you just getting on the train that takes you to EWR?
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I've done EWR-ZVE and ZVE-EWR many times. The itinerary generally shows as EWR-ZTF-ZVE or ZVE-ZTF-EWR despite it being the same train (no cross-platform change necessary). You can confirm this by looking at the flight number or by cross-referencing it with the Amtrak Northeast Regional schedule.
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Old Oct 31, 2019, 8:23 am
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Forgive me if this has been covered but I scrolled through the many situations and didn't see anything exactly like this...

I'm looking to go from BNA to NYC last minute, and then back. I'm seeing BNA --> EWR --> ZFV as a very cheap option, and corresponding return ZFV--> EWR --> BNA.

So I'm understanding that during the first leg (BNA -> EWR -> ZFV) there isn't much risk/repercussion in not taking the EWR-> ZFV leg and just staying in NYC.

For the return flight, if I'm staying in NYC, and planning on skipping the ZFV-->EWR train leg before getting on the plane at EWR to go to BNA... is there any way to do this without getting my flight from EWR to BNA cancelled? Will downloading an electronic train ticket suffice? Pick up the Amtrak ticket at Penn Station but never get it scanned? I'm not checking any bags.
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So I'm understanding that during the first leg (BNA -> EWR -> ZFV) there isn't much risk/repercussion in not taking the EWR-> ZFV leg and just staying in NYC.
It can get rather confusing, so completely understandable, but that above quoted part is incorrect: skipping EWR-ZFV in that scenario is NOT RECOMMENDED!!
There will be a high risk of the return portion being canceled!

From the Wiki:
"Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - High-risk"
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Originally Posted by narvik
It can get rather confusing, so completely understandable, but that above quoted part is incorrect: skipping EWR-ZFV in that scenario is NOT RECOMMENDED!!
There will be a high risk of the return portion being canceled!

From the Wiki:
"Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - High-risk"
But what if this is booked as two separate one-ways, rather than as a roundtrip? (There are $56 one-way Basic Economy fares for BNA-ZFV on selected dates in November and December.)

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Right, I was going to book two one-way tickets to avoid this! I know the first trip would be "low risk" but the return (train then flight from EWR to BNA) would be the medium risk. And was curious what this would actually look like... if I could just download the Amtrak & United boarding pass/ticket via mobile apps, or should I go to NYPenn to the Amtrak window to pick up the Amtrak ticket (even though I wouldn't actually ride/use it) etc.
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Originally Posted by fons
Right, I was going to book two one-way tickets to avoid this! I know the first trip would be "low risk" but the return (train then flight from EWR to BNA) would be the medium risk. And was curious what this would actually look like... if I could just download the Amtrak & United boarding pass/ticket via mobile apps, or should I go to NYPenn to the Amtrak window to pick up the Amtrak ticket (even though I wouldn't actually ride/use it) etc.
If you were to book ZFV-EWR-BNA, I personally would not skip the ZFV-EWR train segment. But do a search on Google flights for your return: I'm seeing $69 one-way fares back to BNA from both EWR (UA) and LGA (DL) on selected dates (in December and January).
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Old Nov 2, 2019, 10:48 pm
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Originally Posted by guv1976
If you were to book ZFV-EWR-BNA, I personally would not skip the ZFV-EWR train segment. But do a search on Google flights for your return: I'm seeing $69 one-way fares back to BNA from both EWR (UA) and LGA (DL) on selected dates (in December and January).
Not taking the ZFV-EWR segment for a ticket starting at ZFV is almost certainly going to result in the EWR-XXX segment (and any remaining segments) being canceled. I've had that happen when I *have* taken the train. That is nt to say someone at EWR can't restore them. But if they do there has to be availability and your previously selected seats are likely to be gone.
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
Not taking the ZFV-EWR segment for a ticket starting at ZFV is almost certainly going to result in the EWR-XXX segment (and any remaining segments) being canceled. I've had that happen when I *have* taken the train. That is nt to say someone at EWR can't restore them. But if they do there has to be availability and your previously selected seats are likely to be gone.
Agreed. I once had to hunt a conductor down to scan my ticket ... didn't want to risk getting the flight segment cancelled.
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I’m pretty aggressive when it comes to flying. I take my chances here in there with things that maybe we shouldn’t do or not. But one thing is clear this ZFV and the other Amtrak codeshares are a really good deal from time to time

It gets me from the points that I need to travel to including the rail ( sometimes at a very considerable discount in price) I think you would be taking great risk especially with United cracking down on things these days to continue to game the system and not take the rail portion as you purchased.

I know people have taken advantage of a hidden city tickets if it’s your last leg and drop it from time to time (UA has an initiative these days to crack down on hidden city tickets) However to consider any shenanigans from the beginning I Truly think is looking for issues

So to get off my soapbox. I use the ZFV love that I get right downtown Philadelphia in an hour from Newark and saves me a ton of money. So I’ll continue to take my rail portions and you can consider risking your mileage plus account
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Can't seem to find any availability to ZFV but plenty of availability to EWR. Does it block EWR-ZFV when there is no corresponding PHL leg left? Has ZFV disappeared because it was abused for EWR flights?
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