Adding as many layovers as possible
Aug 10, 2024 | 11:25 am
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Adding as many layovers as possible
I'm looking to book a transatlantic fare, Europe to the US on United. I've attached a screenshot of the transfer restrictions from the fare rules.
I'm taking that as meaning I can do 3 transfer total 4 flights in each direction, however, I can only get 3 flights before the fare jumps massively. Am I mis interpreting the rules or whats the best way to work out some creative routings?
Aug 10, 2024 | 11:31 am
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I'm looking to book a transatlantic fare, Europe to the US on United. I've attached a screenshot of the transfer restrictions from the fare rules.
I'm taking that as meaning I can do 3 transfer total 4 flights in each direction, however, I can only get 3 flights before the fare jumps massively. Am I mis interpreting the rules or whats the best way to work out some creative routings?
As the text says .. there is also a routing rules . You need to match the routing rules too (sometimes there's no routing rule, only MPM - max permitted miles)
There's no free access to routing rules - you need paid expertflyer (or other services) to see it.
https://www.travelcodex.com/introduc...routing-rules/
Aug 10, 2024 | 11:32 am
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Please post route and dates. There could be many things going on. Routing rules still apply and stops can't be 'anywhere'. Also fare class with married segments needs to be available, which might restrict options. One way to see what is possible is to use ITA matrix and enter AAA to YYY with a UA UA UA UA routing.
Aug 10, 2024 | 11:32 am
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Thanks for that - so I'd need to pay for expert flyer and can't use ita matrix?
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Aug 10, 2024 | 11:55 am
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no itamatrix is free.
https://matrix.itasoftware.com/search Yes, for routing rules EF is best, but unless you want to know about specific routing combos you don't need that.
If you post what you are trying to do ... someone might be able to help. Dates and city pairs for starters as well as booking class you are looking for.
Aug 10, 2024 | 12:08 pm
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Looking at:
Aug 10, 2024 | 12:11 pm
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Basically I'm trying to force an overnight in any US city on the way out.
Are you starting in the US? If yes, depending the layover time, it may create a farebreak.
Aug 10, 2024 | 12:24 pm
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Looking at:
Doable, plenty of options. 700 EUR r/t with 4 segments each way. The return gets forced into L-class with 4 segments and the TATL segment is on AC. 3 segments in the return stays in K-class for 640 EUR with all UA metal
Aug 10, 2024 | 1:01 pm
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Looking at:
DUB-SFO KKPMF6BQ
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
DUB-LAX KKPMF6BQ
inbound (LAX-DUB) is fared in the same direction as outbound so you have to read the construction from right to left.
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
Aug 10, 2024 | 3:10 pm
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I've found my routing on ITA Matrix. I have no problem with getting the outbound to price out correctly (using a one stop on the way back)5
Aug 10, 2024 | 3:22 pm
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Try using bookwithmatrix.
Aug 10, 2024 | 3:30 pm
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Try using bookwithmatrix.
Doesn't work unfortunately.
Aug 10, 2024 | 3:32 pm
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I've found my routing on ITA Matrix. I have no problem with getting the outbound to price out correctly (using a one stop on the way back)5
try google flights with multi stop
Aug 10, 2024 | 8:09 pm
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As close as I could get using Google flights Multi City 616.
And this is the 2nd version which is what you wanted but at a higher price. 695
Aug 10, 2024 | 8:42 pm
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ITA Matrix and Google Flights don't actually check married segment inventory availability with multi-city searches (they only check individual flight segment inventory). So you should take their fare quotes with multi-city searches with a large grain of salt.
Aug 10, 2024 | 11:25 am
