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benewr Jan 13, 2024 10:59 am

10 minutes wait time right now at the GS phone # “due to a spike in calls”

st530 Jan 13, 2024 11:12 am


Originally Posted by Rocketman1 (Post 35905677)
Lots of speculation on this thread…to be expected. Several posts have leaned toward the notion of the degree that some GS maximize the benefits. Not implying that this is true…but what if one of the IT’s at United developed an algorithm that tracked the use of benefits that adversely affected revenue…the bottom line. There are many GS members who rarely if ever utilize the benefits that adversely affect revenue. There are some GS that have no clue as to the intricacies of GS benefits. I know, because I have sat next to a few that stated that very thing. They had administrative assistants that handle all their travel. Conversely, there are GS members who milk every benefit to the maximum. Remember, Kirby is a professional budget analyst…and by all accounts, a pretty damn good one. He may have rolled the dice on this one and is betting he’s on target.

This theory was raised above and also in another thread in 2023. I don't buy it. The vast majority of GS benefits that can be "milked" relate to opening award and upgrade space, where all that happens in the overwhelming majority of cases is that the GS (or the GS's designee) takes a space that would otherwise go to someone else with lower status (or would just go unsold altogether). In either case, UA isn't losing anything, since they've already calculated they won't sell the seat (else it wouldn't be available in the first place, to anyone).

ContinentalFan Jan 13, 2024 11:32 am


Originally Posted by eightblack (Post 35905682)
I like you ContinentalFan I really do. But what is the story? How many impacted GS members are we talking about? A couple hundred at most maybe? The audience here is not representative of the 1K or GS database. I dont think this is in the same league as the DL meltdown.

I'm not discounting the fact that it seems as if some marketing minion dropped the ball (and I would be pissed if I spent $100K on UA and didnt get re-upped).

I hope that UA fixes this and sees reason I really do as I think I will lose the will to live if this thread continues well into Spring :)

The point is that airline stories have legs and airlines are also vulnerable to the perception of the public. I’m always bemused by how many column inches or news coverage minutes trivial stories involving airlines are granted. Who knows how many people are impacted by these changes (or indeed what those changes are), but that won’t matter. A story can be had; people will watch/read; each news medium will sell advertising.

Rock214 Jan 13, 2024 11:36 am


Originally Posted by Rocketman1 (Post 35905677)
Lots of speculation on this thread…to be expected. Several posts have leaned toward the notion of the degree that some GS maximize the benefits. Not implying that this is true…but what if one of the IT’s at United developed an algorithm that tracked the use of benefits that adversely affected revenue…the bottom line. There are many GS members who rarely if ever utilize the benefits that adversely affect revenue. There are some GS that have no clue as to the intricacies of GS benefits. I know, because I have sat next to a few that stated that very thing. They had administrative assistants that handle all their travel. Conversely, there are GS members who milk every benefit to the maximum. Remember, Kirby is a professional budget analyst…and by all accounts, a pretty damn good one. He may have rolled the dice on this one and is betting he’s on target.

I think if what you suggest were the case, than at least some of my colleagues would have remained GS. It’s a larger database than the google doc posted at the top of this thread. Almost all prior GS. Average PQP of close to 80k in 2023. Zero invites in 2024. It’s extremely unlikely all were maximizing their GS benefits to the full extent. My personal habits really haven’t changed in the years I’ve been a GS. I reserve my plus points for personal use and family. Always have.
If Kirby is rolling the dice on this one he is betting that someone like me who spent roughly $130k on his airline in 2023 will be satisfied with a status I could have paid $24k for and not use the other $100k on one of his competitors. That’s a bad bet. I just spent 30 minutes making over $10k worth of airline reservations for February. Not a single one on United. If United has a change of heart and renews my GS status for 2024, I’ll most likely renew my habit of booking on United. But business is business. I obviously spend a lot of time sitting on airplanes. I’ll go where I get the most bang for my buck.

k_den Jan 13, 2024 11:56 am


Originally Posted by Rock214 (Post 35905823)
I think if what you suggest were the case, than at least some of my colleagues would have remained GS. It’s a larger database than the google doc posted at the top of this thread. Almost all prior GS. Average PQP of close to 80k in 2023. Zero invites in 2024. It’s extremely unlikely all were maximizing their GS benefits to the full extent.

you should speak to your corporate travel manager or whomever manages the relationship with United for your company. If everyone got downgraded that really is an adverse factor in your relationship and deserves follow-up. You have significant leverage with your group, as you describe. If you don’t have a relationship manager, now is the time to self appoint (with company blessing).

flyinghigh75 Jan 13, 2024 12:11 pm

Hmm
 
How would they know who you are though??

Originally Posted by landodixie (Post 35905114)
That is interesting news. I actually joined GS when I was part of a corporate program. However I left that company three years ago and am now running a different company. We don’t have a corporate travel program. My assistant and I make all of my travel directly using fares quoted on the website just like any other normal traveler. I was frustrated at not being renewed with $70k PQP on United metal, but seeing some of the others with even higher numbers not get renewed made me scratch my head even more. My wife thinks that because I didn’t give them glowing reviews all of the time (I believe in being honest with them when their service is terrible) that I got put on the non-renewal list.


PanAmOneTwo Jan 13, 2024 12:13 pm


Originally Posted by Rock214 (Post 35905823)
I think if what you suggest were the case, than at least some of my colleagues would have remained GS. It’s a larger database than the google doc posted at the top of this thread. Almost all prior GS. Average PQP of close to 80k in 2023. Zero invites in 2024. It’s extremely unlikely all were maximizing their GS benefits to the full extent. My personal habits really haven’t changed in the years I’ve been a GS. I reserve my plus points for personal use and family. Always have.
If Kirby is rolling the dice on this one he is betting that someone like me who spent roughly $130k on his airline in 2023 will be satisfied with a status I could have paid $24k for and not use the other $100k on one of his competitors. That’s a bad bet. I just spent 30 minutes making over $10k worth of airline reservations for February. Not a single one on United. If United has a change of heart and renews my GS status for 2024, I’ll most likely renew my habit of booking on United. But business is business. I obviously spend a lot of time sitting on airplanes. I’ll go where I get the most bang for my buck.


I guess this is the fundamental question now that GS invitation criteria went haywire: what incentive does anyone have to spend more than 24k on UA, get 1K and then become a free agent, if even 130k isn’t enough for GS? If a large chunk of those who spent 40-50k+ on the hope of GS now stop at 24k, that’s a lot of lost revenue and not easily replaceable. What am I missing?

PTahCha Jan 13, 2024 12:18 pm


Originally Posted by st530 (Post 35905017)
So what's the theory here? No one who flies (exclusively? primarily?) on "discounted" tickets (even if, as you say, you can often find cheaper flights on UA.com than your company's "discount") is eligible no matter the spend? That's wild if true.

Also, would be interesting to hear if any of the other very high but non-qualifying PQPs upthread are also traveling on company discounts. Would certainly lessen the mystery.

Pure speculation: UA could have excluded the travelers on corporate contracts from the "normal" requalification process since corporate contract comes with x number of GS and 1K being handed out, and that process has not been completed, leading to people not qualifying on their own despite of the crazy amount of money they spent on UA premium seats.


Originally Posted by ContinentalFan (Post 35905815)
The point is that airline stories have legs and airlines are also vulnerable to the perception of the public. I’m always bemused by how many column inches or news coverage minutes trivial stories involving airlines are granted. Who knows how many people are impacted by these changes (or indeed what those changes are), but that won’t matter. A story can be had; people will watch/read; each news medium will sell advertising.

A news story needs to be relatable. People cannot use SkyClub is relatable. A story about people spending over $50-100K in airfare and did not get invited into a secret club is not relatable.

flyinghigh75 Jan 13, 2024 12:28 pm

You’re right …
 
… and moves like these from United will SOW DISTRUST among even those that were renewed at GS.

Originally Posted by PanAmOneTwo (Post 35905907)
I guess this is the fundamental question now that GS invitation criteria went haywire: what incentive does anyone have to spend more than 24k on UA, get 1K and then become a free agent, if even 130k isn’t enough for GS? If a large chunk of those who spent 40-50k+ on the hope of GS now stop at 24k, that’s a lot of lost revenue and not easily replaceable. What am I missing?


ironmanjt Jan 13, 2024 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by PanAmOneTwo (Post 35905907)
I guess this is the fundamental question now that GS invitation criteria went haywire: what incentive does anyone have to spend more than 24k on UA, get 1K and then become a free agent, if even 130k isn’t enough for GS? If a large chunk of those who spent 40-50k+ on the hope of GS now stop at 24k, that’s a lot of lost revenue and not easily replaceable. What am I missing?

my guess would be: the vast majority of GS are not FT readers. At my company, most had no idea what status is and what it takes to get and simply book the best/fastest routing with attention paid to seat type and much more importantly cost.

this idea of “punishing” an airline by booking away from them (especially if they’re the quickest and most cost effective option) is (at least in my experience) lost on the type of people United cares about. They simply don’t have time for what one colleague called “rewards games”

Doppy Jan 13, 2024 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by PanAmOneTwo (Post 35905907)
I guess this is the fundamental question now that GS invitation criteria went haywire: what incentive does anyone have to spend more than 24k on UA, get 1K and then become a free agent, if even 130k isn’t enough for GS? If a large chunk of those who spent 40-50k+ on the hope of GS now stop at 24k, that’s a lot of lost revenue and not easily replaceable. What am I missing?

Yeah if there's no clarification here then once I requal for 1K I'm going to play the field the rest of the year some. I'm more than halfway to 1K already so that will be pretty soon.

SFO 1K Flyer Jan 13, 2024 12:37 pm

If united wants to use GS to drive us all to spend in certain ways to get the (ever-shrinking) rewards, I don't understand why it's beneficial for them to keep the criteria for GS qualification so secret. It seems it would be much more effective for them to be transparent with the criteria if they want us all to actually fly and spend in a certain way. Otherwise randomly rewarding certain people who don't know why they are being rewarded doesn't drive certain behavior or spending that they supposedly want.

st530 Jan 13, 2024 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by PTahCha (Post 35905922)
Pure speculation: UA could have excluded the travelers on corporate contracts from the "normal" requalification process since corporate contract comes with x number of GS and 1K being handed out, and that process has not been completed, leading to people not qualifying on their own despite of the crazy amount of money they spent on UA premium seats.

Agreed, and I said as much in a later post.

ContinentalFan Jan 13, 2024 12:55 pm


Originally Posted by PTahCha (Post 35905922)
A news story needs to be relatable. People cannot use SkyClub is relatable. A story about people spending over $50-100K in airfare and did not get invited into a secret club is not relatable.

It depends how the story is cast. Those lifestyles of the rich and famous gain traction; people lap up stories about royal families. The default expectation about airlines is that they screw up: schedules, baggage, frequent flyer programs; they’re now screwing up with their best customers; such a story has legs. It echoes the Delta debacle of late last year.

ytjk Jan 13, 2024 1:15 pm


Originally Posted by Doppy (Post 35905952)
Yeah if there's no clarification here then once I requal for 1K I'm going to play the field the rest of the year some. I'm more than halfway to 1K already so that will be pretty soon.

I for one haven’t worried at all about trying to optimize my effort to make 1k. I simply booked United for all my trips, didn’t even notice what it took to make 1k and moved on.

I can easily end up with 1k equivalent status on 2+ airlines if I tweak and start to play credit card games or whatever.

im not going to get to 4 million miles in my life. Not happening. It seems to me that not moving half my business to Philly on American would be irresponsible


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