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Old Jul 15, 2023, 12:56 pm
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Odd pricing IAD-OGG, UA and HA

I am looking at IAD-HNL-OGG on 12/21. If I book this as separate tickets it is rougnly 700 cheaper than booking as one ticket. What gives? UA doesn't want me to connect to HA? I would much rather connect in HNL than anywhere on the continent and I would also prefer to have one ticket as opposed to two. TIA
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Old Jul 15, 2023, 1:00 pm
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I am looking at IAD-HNL-OGG on 12/21. If I book this as separate tickets it is rougnly 700 cheaper than booking as one ticket. What gives? UA doesn't want me to connect to HA? I would much rather connect in HNL than anywhere on the continent and I would also prefer to have one ticket as opposed to two. TIA
Nothing gives — what you describe happens all the time. Your choices are to (a) connect somewhere else; (b) buy multiple tickets; (c) pay UA’s price; or (d) wait.
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Old Jul 15, 2023, 1:11 pm
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Further, HA may not be offering its lowest fares to UA for this itinerary
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Old Jul 15, 2023, 1:11 pm
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The cheapest interisland fares offered by HA cannot be combined with other carriers and must be issued by HA.
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Old Jul 15, 2023, 1:28 pm
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Further, HA may not be offering its lowest fares to UA for this itinerary
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The cheapest interisland fares offered by HA cannot be combined with other carriers and must be issued by HA.
That’s not really how it works, though. UA contracts with HA for space on the HNL-OGG part of an XXX-OGG fare. You’re not using an HA fare at all.

At its core, it’s some combination of UA feeling that OGG is a more premium market than HNL and available inventory.
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Old Jul 15, 2023, 1:28 pm
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Connect in whatever location, but personally I’d pick whatever gets me there the fastest, at any cost, within reason. In hindsight my trips to OGG were whatever was cheap, my recent years living in Maui was whatever it is, I pay, in first. Still married after 20 years so I’m not completely delusional.
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Old Jul 15, 2023, 6:20 pm
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Originally Posted by mander
I would much rather connect in HNL than anywhere on the continent and I would also prefer to have one ticket as opposed to two.
And there's your explanation. UA is charging a higher through-fare to OGG because people will buy it.

To understand airfare pricing, keep in mind that the airline's goal is to maximize revenue. It has nothing to do with cost, distance, or any other consideration.
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Old Jul 15, 2023, 6:52 pm
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As someone who is also living in Maui these days, I agree with COSPILOT - nothing in OGG is cheap.... it is what it is, but:
a) consider separate tickets? (HA and UA dont really play as well together as other *A partners)
b) consider other UA routing, such as IAD-SFO-OGG, IAD-LAS-OGG, or IAD-DEN-OGG
c) I am sure there might even be cheap/easier options going East IAD-FRA-NRT-OGG (just kidding, but kind of)

flying in and out of OGG is always an adventure

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Old Jul 15, 2023, 7:55 pm
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Originally Posted by mander
I am looking at IAD-HNL-OGG on 12/21. If I book this as separate tickets it is rougnly 700 cheaper than booking as one ticket. What gives? UA doesn't want me to connect to HA? I would much rather connect in HNL than anywhere on the continent and I would also prefer to have one ticket as opposed to two. TIA
Looking at UA’s quoted one way fares for that date, it can make a tremendous difference based on which connecting HA flight you choose… even ones a half hour apart. From what I saw, the lower priced HNL connections weren’t all that different price-wise from the ORD, DEN, SFO, and LAX options.
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Old Jul 15, 2023, 8:04 pm
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Have you tried booking this as a multi city (ie, searching IAD-HNL, HNL-OGG in a multi-city search vs. IAD-OGG o-d)? Don’t know about this route specifically, but sometimes, searching multi-city can generate a lower fare than just searching where you want to leave and arrive - UA.com is like that. That way, you’d still have the benefit of being on a single ticket.
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Old Jul 16, 2023, 6:58 am
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Have you tried booking this as a multi city (ie, searching IAD-HNL, HNL-OGG in a multi-city search vs. IAD-OGG o-d)? Don’t know about this route specifically, but sometimes, searching multi-city can generate a lower fare than just searching where you want to leave and arrive - UA.com is like that. That way, you’d still have the benefit of being on a single ticket.
Thanks, yes and that did return pricing in line with other routes. . But it won't give me Premium Economy as an option for the IAD-HNL leg.

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Old Jul 16, 2023, 10:58 am
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Also, if the first leg is somehow delayed, what happens when you miss the flight for the second leg? May be harder to rebook when not part of the same ticket?
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Old Jul 16, 2023, 11:34 am
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Thanks, yes and that did return pricing in line with other routes. . But it won't give me Premium Economy as an option for the IAD-HNL leg.
It appears the only connections through HNL that offer a PE fare are also the ones where the economy fares are way out of line with everything else. How can changing the HNL-OGG connection by 30 minutes make a difference on whether a PE fare is available at all? Something seems messed up with UA's pricing system here.
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Old Jul 16, 2023, 11:45 am
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It appears the only connections through HNL that offer a PE fare are also the ones where the economy fares are way out of line with everything else. How can changing the HNL-OGG connection by 30 minutes make a difference on whether a PE fare is available at all? Something seems messed up with UA's pricing system here.
No, nothing is messed up with UA’s pricing system.

In order to route a PE fare onto an HA flight, UA needs inventory on the HA flight in the fare class pursuant to their agreement. No inventory, no PE fare on that combination of flights.
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Old Jul 16, 2023, 12:09 pm
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In order to route a PE fare onto an HA flight, UA needs inventory on the HA flight in the fare class pursuant to their agreement. No inventory, no PE fare on that combination of flights.
That makes sense. Couid I buy economy and then buy an upgrade to PE on the IAD-HNL leg as a work around for this?
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